if he really wants to talk about dumb stereotypes, i can point him to a couple porno sites with photos to prove him wrong.
last time i checked white people buy elongate more than anybody else. and if chinese had such small wees wees, why is it in history books, they bring up that some of the stereotypes people made about chinese were out of jealousy. one such example was when white women started marrying chinese men, some news media, made it a point to diss interracial couples like those and make the chinese men look evil and stupid with bad english among other ridiculous myths. also why is it that during that era when chinese people started becoming known for their hard work, and ingenuity and the fact they were more effective and cost efficent and less lazy than their white counterparts, that they started coming out with more stereotypes of asian people. also why is it, that after it became known that chinese were better at many jobs than white people, they came up with the chinese exclusion act to prevent us from coming into this country because they've always been threatened by us. here's a thought-provoking overview of how the Chinese have been an integral part of American history - that in fact, the country as we know it could not possibly exist without the participation and contributions of Americans of Chinese descent. "There is nothing inherently alien about the Chinese-American experience."Chinese shared the same problems as all other immigrants - universal problems that recognized no borders." if you carefully trace the evolution of this American people through an interwoven history of both China and the United States, including written memoirs and recorded oral histories, and countless interviews.. From building railroads to the earliest rockets, from agriculture to pioneering AIDS research, Chinese-Americans have been at the core of the American infrastructure. At the same time, to celebrate Chinese-American achievement is to recognize and understand institutionalized racism. But throughout American history, Chinese immigrants, later joined by other immigrants of Asian descent, have maintained a legacy of political activism: They upturned laws that not only excluded new Asian immigrants but those that kept whole families apart for decades, laws that robbed Asian-Americans of their basic civil rights, including testifying against murderers and other criminals who happened to be white, and laws that banned Asian immigrants from being naturalized or owning property or marrying white people. Asian-Americans have endured other struggles, including perpetual anti-Chinese violence, from early "yellow peril" purges to dehumanization in the media, symbolized by such insulting representations as Fu Manchu to Icebox.com's animated Mr. Wong. They have survived unfounded challenges to American patriotism, like Tsien Hsue-shen, who pioneered the US space program only to be deported on false charges. In spite of such a legacy, Chinese and other Asian-Americans have achieved vast success in virtually every field. They have also gained considerable status economically. Even now, however, , "Despite this long legacy of contribution, many Chinese-Americans continue to be regarded as foreigners.... Accents and cultural traditions may disappear, but skin tone and the shape of one's eyes do not. These features have eased the way for some to regard ethnic Chinese as exotic and different - certainly not 'real' Americans." That sense of being perceived as foreign is not limited to the ethnic Chinese, as most Asian-Americans, regardless of how many generations their families have been American, can remember being asked, "Where are you really from?" also haven't people learned yet that a lot of stereotypes about chinese people are myths. i recently read an article, where a white kid visited beijing thinking all chinese were small and found out that yao ming wasn't rare and that there were a lot of 7 footers there.
By the way, you posted the same post, twice. You should edit your first one, instead of reposting a new one with the changes.
dnslam, what is it with you and the time delayed double posts? it's kinda freaking me out... btw here are some quickly found articles on racism in China, not to disrespect China particularly, but rather to suggest that China is not the great land of interacial harmony that has been suggested here... Ethnic Minorities Suffer in "Racism Free" China News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty International The "Laowai", Racism and Personal Space in China http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2002/1212/vo2-3.html Racism: China's Secret Scourge Again, I don't mean this as an insult to China, but rather a suggestion that there are problems in China as in the US.
there are problems with racism all over the world. but have you seen what china has actually done on their television networks with the talk shows that actually address issues sensitive to foreigners. and a lot of these issues like lao wai are exaggerated. it means foreigner and that's all it means. nobody i know uses it in a demeaning way. do you hear anybody in China telling foreigners to go back to america and exhibiting any blatant racial violence or blatant racial discrimination in the media? NO, so i suggest you stop exaggerating. foreigners who go over to china, just don't understand the language and get overly suspicious of what people are saying. here's an excerpt from one of the articles and in fact this is the very issue that was discussed on talk shows. these tourists who go to china actually think being called foreigner is racist when they actually are. they say how would you like it if somebody said hey chinese person across the street. i get called f**kin' chink in america. how is that comparable? i also go to spanish places sometimes and they call me chino, but i don't consider them racist for mentioning my race. that's just stupid. also do you know that chinese people do a lot of things normally that people might consider rude? do you know some chinese people will stare and point at a fat person just because they've never seen a fat person. they do dumb things like that. but that a'int racism. the fact that the chinese talk shows are even addressing such a dumb issue and accomodating to foreigners sensitivities show that they have no blatant hate for anybody. how can there be a big racial problem in china when there happen to be 56 ethnic groups in china and people usually get along just fine. as for the example with Uighur people, most parts of china have never seen them so how could they develop stereotypes about them? plus do you see chinese media or chinese television portraying any races in a negative way? no, so its not a widespread problem.
I believe that continued racial division in America is a front for the wealthy elite to cloud up the economic disparity between the classes. So negative stereotypes on minorities are emphasized more in order to prevent the poorer classes from working together. Most of these stereotypes have surfaced in the mainstream in some form or another. It's paradoxical to find the cause and the effect, so I treated them similarly. Americans didn't have the background to enjoy tacos. Americans weren't historically predisposed to tacos unlike pumpkin pie. I'm sure I had a point. I'm just rambling here... I didn't say all stereotypes weren't true just like you couldn't say all Mexicans liked tacos. My problem with stereotypes is that leaps of logic can be assumed from general knowlege of a culture. Some foreigners could say that Bush is a cowboy American and that all Americans are cowboys, but that impression couldn't be accurate when applied to a New Yorker. I don't know. Nationalism comes in many forms. One form implies borders; another form applies a way of life. If the country's people doesn't subscribe to a particular way i.e. the "American way", then the nationalistic sentiment won't be as apparent. So I believe that European nationalism is stronger because it doesn't have to deal with multicultral conflicts as much as we do. I have read about the anti-immigrant sentiment in countries like France, Germany and Austria. Their intergroup conflicts usually centered on class and ethnicity rather than race. They're ahead in discussing class issues, but I think they're behind us in racial issues because they don't have to deal with it as much. I think countries in Europe have a stronger sense of nationalism because they have had a long and established period of history, and their people have shared a predominant view within their small borders. But if you look at Europe as a whole, they were bitterly divided and were in a large number of wars amongst each other . The EU is a remarkable body. The countries share history if you consider the bloody wars against each other. The EU as a whole can't fully rerepresent a "European way" as it continues to grow. All it can hope for is a strong European economy and a competitive and escalating rivalry against Americans that will make their people willing to leave behind their sovereignty.
That is true. That's when the stereotype breaks down. Back in the 80's I knew a someone from NY that thought we actually rode horses to work (in Houston). Silly today, but it was true about 50 years earlier.
Yep. Europeans are a lot more open about their discussions on social class and preservation of culture. They don't HAVE to maintain a status quo on equality as much as the USA does. This can be good and bad.
My reply was tongue-in-cheek. Saying that Mexicans like tacos usually implies all with the other person even if it is a matter of opinion. I agree that not every stereotype was wrong, but I still have a problem with them because there's no mainstream way to tell distinguish an accurate stereotype from a wrong one.
Very preceptive! That's true. But guess what? It's the "other persons'" jumping to conclusions what usually happens when statments like "Mexicans like tacos" are said. Even though, "Mexicans like tacos" is correct. The *other person* incorrectly assumes that we were talking about "all Mexicans" and accuse that person of being a "racist." Mexicans like tacos = matter of fact (based on history, tradition and culture) All Mexicans like tacos = matter of opinion (incorrectly based on history, tradition and culture, especially in the US).
The more radical writers on American racial issues want a break in the status quo because devices such as political correctness do more harm than good. Those within both sides who want to keep the status quo are usually motivated by money, whether in the form of entitlements and priveleges or the loss of power and social standing.
Ah, money and power! Yep! By the way, have you figured out if I'm a liberal or conservative? <--- incognito
Okay, the stereotypes used by comedians, tv shows, movies, etc. are pretty darn close to being true. You got the Indian or Pakistani that owns a 7-11. You got the Southerners who are love doing family members. You got the middle easterner who does bad stuff to people that involve devices that explode. Plus, they smell. (Im middle eastern, so please lay off on my comment about them...Im allowed to say stuff like that ) You got the African American that loves chicken wings. You got the Asian that lives and dies on his calculator or the older asian lady that owns a dry cleaning store. (The lady I give my dry cleaning to is asian ) You got the blondes that are dumb. You got the blondes that are sluts. The list goes on and on...But one thing is common...truth. And for the most part, all these things are supposed to be used in good humor. When I see stuff like this, it cracks me up, even if its about middle easterners. Why take offense to it? Afterall, Ive probably heard the worst stuff about me since 9-11. Its all good in the hood. No need to get my panties in a bunch.
that's really ignorant of you to say. WWII Japanese Americans had to fight in a segregated unit to prove their loyalty to this country. As their civil liberties and rights were stripped away, these citizens bravely faced prejudice both in their own country and in the battlegrounds of Europe and the Pacific while their families were imprisoned in stockades. WWII Japanese Americans who fought in a segregated unit, the 100th Infantry Battalion/442nd Regimental Combat Team, to prove their loyalty to America became one of the most highly decorated units in the entire U.S. military history. If Asian Americans didn't prove immigrants could be loyal to this country, what terrible fate would muslim americans and people of middle eastern descent face today? people should be giving asian people more credit for fighting civil rights and challenging the system. middle eastern people have been murdered just because people suspect them of being terrorists. if it weren't for japanese americans who proved immigrants could be loyal to the US, i bet muslims and middle eastern people would have been put in the same situation japanese americans faced. plus why is it everybody stereotypes immigrants of color only? last time i checked, native americans were the only original americans. white people were immigrants as well, and you don't hear people walking up to a regular white person and calling them nazi.
the next person to make dumb remarks will hear me sing this song: if you're a cracka, and you know it, clap your hands. if you're a cracka, and you know it, clap your hands. if you're a cracka, and you know it, and you really want to show it, and if you're cracka, and you know it, clap your hands.
cracka is not a stereotype. Just like N**** is not a stereotype for african americans. You are confused.
