Come on. There are plenty of dumb fans that root for every single team in the world. The day that sports teams discriminate on the basis of knowledge or intelligence is the day we all take up high-stakes backgammon.
Why not? He's willing to take risks, sounds like he has a good plan and has a great deal more insight into T-Mac, the man and the player, than anyone else in the league. I will admit that in the days and weeks before the trade went down that he was looking like he was on the level of a Glen Grunwald, but now that the dust has settled, I think that he made some good moves that will probably make the Magic a legit playoff contender this season. You can guarantee if that happens that he'll be around for awhile.
I've had a few people that travel a lot and work around basketball, either scouting or coaching that have told me that, should I show you pics of their asses? Besides that all you have to do is listen to sports radio, that pretty much goes for any our sports. We are (for the most part) band waggoners, we like to pile on when a team/player/coach isn't doing well, very few of us show appreciation for the teams/players/coaches accomplishments, very few of us give credit where credit is due, very few of us are realistic in our criticisms and praises. This past Astro's season is the most recent proof of that.
What did he do? He made the only trade he could, because his hands were tied. He bad-mouthed the commodity he was trying to trade and he had a top pick to make, choosing between 2 front court studs. Oh yeah, he signed Turkey-glue. What a freakin' genius. (did that sound angry?)
JumpMan, you just stepped into a big pile of poo-poo...especially when you try to lump *ALL* CLUTCH BBS fans into your "band wagoner" group. Good luck. Note, that Yao just happens to be an aberration (like Jordan) where fans from other cites follow that player. And as we win more, more fans will join our "cheers." Most BBS members here ARE diehard (most of us made it through the Francis era. That's worth something).
David, Never tried to lump ALL Clutch fans into a band wagon group, I mentioned band wagon only after I mentioned sports radio (which I need to stop listening to all together) and all of our sports, NEVER singled out ALL fans on this site. Haven't been here long enough to say that the fans on here are that, but it is obvious that some of us like to pile on, that we don't appreciate, and sometimes we're not realistic. You just showed an example of that with your "made it through the Francis' era" comment, it wasn't HIS era, it was just an era with an average basketball team. Many examples of that could be found through out Rocket's history, and other Houston teams' history, so it's fine with me if I stepped in some poo poo with those comments because I believe them. Shouldn't have said many, but when I hear that we have fans that compare to the Warriors, Hawks, Magic and Wizards, and then someone shows why that's possible it gets depressing. Anyway, I apologize to those that I offended.
Lue is going to surprise some folks this year. He's going to be the best quick point guard defender on the team. Who still remembers Bibby and Bobby Jackson torching the Rockets for 56 points last year?
I think the assumption made with the argument that the Magic got the better end of the deal is that Juwan Howard and Lue are garbage players meaning that this was a deal that gave the Magic 3 good to very good players for 1 great player to Houston.
Just so you know...the "made it through the Francis era" was part humor (as in "die hard fans suffering") and part truth . Take that with a grain of salt....but... As far as the *truth* part....It WAS Francis's ERA, because be paid him MAX CONTRACT and the ball was in his hands (literally and figuratively) most of the time. And when that happens, you expect your *best* player to show *some* improvement as a PG (individually and teamwise), through TWO coaches, and with an addition of Yao. Realistic? Yes, I can show you realistic. This "piling on" wasn't without MERIT and PROOF! It wasn't reactionary (Did you notice that "turnover boy" has been traded? ). You want *unrealistic and reactionary?* You should have *tried* (I did, as did GATER, solid, egn *not to be confused with edc* and DaDakota) to criticize Francis's game back in 2001-2002. "Oh, the outrage! Heretic! Blasphemy!" Well, it's safe to say that times have changed (for the better). So, you're right. You haven't been here long enough to know these things. It's easy for you to *realize* that we had "an average basketball team" after the fact. But back then, not many wanted to believe it even though some of us pointed it out (quite vehemently).
There are stupid fans on sports radio all over the country. I live in LA and you wouldn't believe some of the crap that people call in with. I've sworn off local sports radio altogether.
Definately, and I hope it is - GM's (a la Red Auerbach) that have a history of screwing the other team in trades hurts in the long run as teams eventually no longer like to deal with them
I just don't understand how this guy is still working for ESPN when they fired David Aldridge and Mel Kiper. I m glad I'm in Japan, and I don't have to listen to all the crap this guy has to say on tv. Ok, granted Orlando did well, they got Steve who is a warrior and they stole Cuttino from us. We won't miss Cato, I think Deke can fill that role just fine. I just wish we could have kept cuttino. He was one hell of a player. probably my favorite from last years squad excluding Yao.
What an arrogent blowhard. Stevie and Cato will soon have him humming the blues when it comes to knuckleheaded decisions at game time.
Riiiiiight. I guess the Magic only received one offer for Tracy McGrady, the league's leading scorer. He could have dealt T-Mac to a number of other teams. The Rockets deal made the most sense. I will agree to an extent that he was forced to make a move, but that initially stemmed from the unwillingness on the behalf of Orlando management to extend T-Mac's contract. Weisbrod should just shut up and move on. He comes across as a bitter attention w****. The guy needs to realize he is a suit, not a player and should just do his work out of the spotlight.
So? What does your "few people" represent? When does your "few people" all of a sudden represent "many"? How did your "few people" interact with Rocket fans? And of course they have to interact with fans of all other 29 teams to conclude that Rocket fans are the dumbest and worst in the NBA. How was the interaction conducted and conclusion drawn? Scientific reserach or personal feeling? Actually my question is that when and why was your "few people" bigger than my "few people" or any other "few people" in terms of representing the opinion of "many" on the topic "which team has the dumbest and worst fans"? Of course we're lucky the world is not full of jumpmen. Otherwise, by your logic, this forum are easily "considered by many to be the dumbest and worst in the internet" after "few people" reading this thread.
So do you really think we could have gotten Tmac for just Francis and Cato? After the year Francis had? I think it's more like we stole Tmac from the magic.
Yeah very true. If we had traded steve earlier we could have got T-mac for less, but he really lowered his own value by his style of play and it showed. The only consistant player we had before we got JJ was Cat. They were not going to give up T-Mac and not get someone like Cat in return.
