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[ESPN] Magic got the better end of the deal

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  1. tariq

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    Chad Ford (who else) says that the Magic got the better deal.
    A gem from Weisbrod ""Our objective was not to bring in a single player that wasn't a sore loser. We wanted guys who would compete. " Seems like he still does not know Francis and Cato


    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/trainingcamp04/columns/story?id=1905682


    Wednesday, October 20, 2004


    By Chad Ford
    NBA Insider

    ORLANDO – Call GM John Weisbrod's Magic "Extreme Makeover: Hockey Style".

    Weisbrod took over the Magic last March, hellbent on blowing up the team. A number of NBA GMs snickered when Weisbrod, whose only real experience to date had been running a minor-league hockey franchise, was given the task of bringing the franchise back from the dead.

    What does a hockey guy know about the NBA, they all whispered?

    "It's unbelievable in my observation how much people fear having original thought," Weisbrod said. "When things are that bad, it's not a difficult decision to rip things up and try something new."

    Those whispers turned to cackles this summer when word leaked that Weisbrod was willing to trade his only star, Tracy McGrady, to the highest bidder.

    When word leaked that the deal the Magic were most seriously contemplating, a swap of McGrady, Juwan Howard and Tyronn Lue for Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato, just about everyone in the league shook their head and said, off the record, of course, "I told you so."

    Now it might be Weisbrod who is having the last laugh.

    Weisbrod brought in a whopping 11 new players over the course of the summer and, against almost insurmountable odds, appears to have righted the most wayward ship in the NBA last season.


    Want to know what's on Weisbrod's mind? Just ask him.
    How did he do it? Like most outsiders, he approached building an NBA team from a fresh perspective.

    "Our plan was to change the culture," Weisbrod says with a stern conviction that would make the most-seasoned trial lawyer proud.

    "Regardless of the faces that came in, we had developed a pattern of softness and complacency and that obviously came to a boil last year."

    "Our objective was not to bring in a single player that wasn't a sore loser. We wanted guys who would compete. Obviously people tease me because I come from a hockey background – the all-for-one, one-for – all mentality. I've been told you can't accomplish that type of culture in the NBA, but I don't believe that. The NBA has been in the business of prima donna development as a league and I wanted to get out of that."

    Weisbrod believed that change had to start at the top. While it was widely believed that McGrady asked to be traded from Orlando, Weisbrod saw things a little differently.

    "It would be fair to say it was a mutual decision," Weisbrod confessed. "I would be lying to say I was anxious to have Tracy back.

    "Basketball is a team game and he had developed an attitude of the organization eating out of his hand. It was tough to imagine that, no matter what pieces we changed around him, that we were going to be able to change the culture of this team with him on the team."

    Weisbrod claims that he believes McGrady might be the most physically-gifted player in the league; however, his work ethic, a lack of a competitive drive and his unwillingness to take personal responsibility for the team drove the hockey guy nuts.

    "One of the things we had last year and one of the reason we lost so often was because people left the building feeling fine with themselves," Weisbrod said.

    "Tracy would say, you know, 'I had my 35, what else did you want me to do?' The other guys would say 'Hey, I'm just a role player, this is Tracy's team.'

    "So everyone's putting the head on the pillow at night and no one feels responsible. You're not going to break down many walls with that type of attitude."

    Once Weisbrod decided it was time for Tracy to go, the rest was easy.

    He quickly identified a group of players that had under-performed for whatever reason. He especially wanted players with an innate killer instinct. Once the ball was tipped, he wanted guys who would run through walls to win the basketball game.

    Francis, Mobley and Cato were the core of that new group. He also traded away Drew Gooden for a more veteran, hard-nosed center in Tony Battie. He signed Hedo Turkoglu, a tough, albeit inconsistent, swingman from the Spurs.

    And he drafted two polar opposites in the draft – high school phenom Dwight Howard and college player of the year Jameer Nelson.

    Nelson was an obvious fit – a grizzled, hardcore warrior who played fiercely for four years at St. Joseph's.

    Howard, the No. 1 pick in the draft, was more puzzling. Weisbrod seemed to be going against his own mantra when he selected the inexperienced prep over Emeka Okafor, a guy who embodies what Weisbrod claims he loves in a basketball player.

    "My original thought was all things being equal you go for the most NBA-ready player," Weisbrod said.

    "And when we scheduled the visits for both players, I'd be lying if I didn't say that Emeka was the guy on my mind. The day that Dwight came here, I went out to dinner with him and put him through my usual set of questions. I just became convinced that this kid was such a solid kid.

    "You know you worry about taking such a young kid because of the money and the travel and the women and the lifestyle, it's very easy for these guys to get off track and never reach the levels that they should reach. But I became so convinced that based on the family he came from and his attitude that there was nothing that was going to take this kid off track."

    "I think he's on a mission to become a great basketball player. He's been working so relentlessly everyday. When you see that kind of character and become convicted that this kid will reach his potential you start to ask yourself which guy will become the better player.

    "I think Emeka is a solid character guy and a guy who could play in the league for a long time, a guy that any team would want. But I see Dwight Howard as a multiple All-Star type player. Your responsibility when you have the first pick in the draft is to find the best player. I think by taking Dwight, we did it right."

    After a summer of second guessing, the fruits of Weisbrod's labors are starting to show up on the court. While it's going to take a while, once the NBA season starts for real, for chemistry to form, the early returns look promising.

    Howard looks nothing like the skinny, raw 18-year-old we watched work out in Chicago before the draft.

    He's grown nearly an inch and added 22 pounds of muscle in summer workouts. On the court, he's already worked himself into the starting line-up, recorded two double doubles and did a great job guarding Dirk Nowitzki during a pre-season game on Sunday.

    Francis has looked fantastic in the preseason.

    After averaging a career low in points, assists and shooting percentage under coach Jeff Van Gundy, he seems determined to prove to the world that the Magic, not the Rockets, got the best end of the McGrady trade. Most importantly, he seems to be buying into Weisbrod's all-for-one, one-for-all mentality.

    "We're a bunch of guys who have been written off," Francis said.

    "Grant, myself, Cuttino, Pat Garrity, Jameer, who should have been in the lottery. People are pretty much expecting us to be back where we were last year, in the lottery.

    "We've got chips on our shoulders … We have a team full of underdogs and the last time I was on a team full of underdogs when I was on Maryland and we came through and had a great season. Hopefully we can do the same thing here."

    Howard and Francis are the two potential stars on this team, but it looks like the Magic are going to get some unexpected help from the one guy that epitomized the bad luck of the Magic.

    After four years of on-again, off-again comebacks, Grant Hill looks healthy and ready to contribute to the Magic cause. While Hill will never regain the brilliant game he once had, his maturity and versatility could be the factors that elevate the Magic from the worst team in the league into the playoffs this season.

    "Everybody's worked hard," said Hill, alluding to many of the problems the Magic experienced last season.

    "That's all you can ask. We're committed to competing. We want to be a team that's – irrespective of the shots that go in or not, going to play hard. Those are the hard teams to beat. That can sustain us as we grow and change."

    That grit, combined with the most talent and depth the Magic have enjoyed this decade, could make Orlando the sleeper team in the East this year.

    "I look at our personnel and our depth chart and compare them to the teams in our division and I think man …, " Weisbrod begins. "You feel pretty good looking at our conference and especially our division you think you should really be able to make some noise."

    "My expectation is that we'll probably start a little slowly and get better as guys gel together. I think we have enough of a high character that we'll fight through it."

    If the Magic do turn it around, the hockey guy label might stick, but it will be a moniker of respect, not derision, from his peers. Either way, Weisbrod claims he doesn't care.

    "Ultimately we're in a bottom-line business. You either win or you lose. The media and fans can say you're a hero in the summer and if you lose, you're gone. They can say you're a horses' ass in the summer and if you win, they get on board.

    "There's a scoreboard in every arena and there's standings in the paper everyday. It's very clear whether you're good or bad at what you do. That's the only test."

    It's a test the Magic might be able to pass this year.

    Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
     
  2. ArtV

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    Wasn't he the same guy that thought this deal wouldn't go through because it was too one sided in the Rockets favor?
     
  3. JayZ750

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    Chad Ford is still an idiot, and his analysis and coverage of the whole Weisbrod trade debacle wasn't very good.

    In the end, I don't think the Magic did that poorly. I really like the selection of Dwight Howard, even though Omeka was as solid as they come, and Francis and Cuttino are both good players...

    ...BUT, I still think the Magic could have done better.

    AND, the old saying that whoever got the best player in the deal gets the better end of the bargain will likely still hold considering we stole Reece Gaines from them. :eek:
     
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    I agree with everything said about Steve, Cuttino and Cato...

    Fine, well enough, but that doesn't mean that their shooting % is going to go up or turnovers down.

    In fact I expect them to put up pretty good numbers except for turnovers and poor decisions.

    Steve was not a fit with Yao and Van Gundy.

    That is not a knock on Steve. We went another direction.

    So who would you like to get for Steve?

    Tmac is fine with me.
     
  5. Rockets34Legend

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    That freaking moron. I know we'll prove his ass wrong when we play the Magic during the season.
     
  6. JumpMan

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    Where does it say that the Magic got the better end of the deal?
     
  7. ROXTXIA

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    The Magic did well for themselves in the trade, but Chad Ford won't be giving Weisbrod hummers once Steve starts throwing the ball into the third row, dribbling out the clock, etc.

    If Grant Hill plays point forward and doesn't fall to injury again, they should be decent.

    Sportswriters do like to knock on T-Mac, don't they?
     
  8. GoatBoy

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    Definitely, if Steve isn't playing point, he will perform much better than he did here. Why didn't someone suggest letting someone else run the point when he was here?



    That's a joke, son. I remember the weekly "move Steve to the 2" thread.
     
  9. glynch

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    A good story to post on Tracy's Locker.
     
  10. meh

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    If hockey guy here really is all about being tough and stuff, why in the world has he not fired his coach? We're talking about a coach who can't get his team to play any defense last season. In addition, Davis also managed to sit Reece Gaines on the bench w/o giving him any chance to develop despite their record. Not exactly the type of coach I'd want developing my #1 HS phenom.

    If any team in the NBA last year needed to change the coach, it was the Magic. Yet hockey guy overturned the entire roster rather than making a much simpler, and likely more impactful, change.
     
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    Heh...
    I hope sports writers keep on knocking McGrady. Nothing like doubts to keep him motivated into proving all of them wrong.

    Personally, I thought it was a good trade for both teams.
     
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    Im not even gona bother to read this artical becuase anything Chad "the tool" Ford says CANT and SHOULDN'T be takin seriusly.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    I was asking myself the same thing.

    I think the Magic will make the playoffs this year, and they did fine.

    It might just have been the kind of deal where it was good for both teams involved.
     
  14. Jeff

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    Just to be clear, it DOESN'T say that the Magic got a better deal. That is a misleading title for sure.

    Weisbrod isn't going to last in the NBA.
     
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    Clutch, how long can our signatures be? I'd like to make this mine.

    “The Suns, Clippers and Pacers also have made bids to acquire McGrady. All of them, on the surface at least, appear to be able to offer much better deals for the Magic than the one in play with the Rockets. … On paper, the McGrady-for-Francis swap has the potential to be a disaster for the Magic. One GM went so far as to claim the Magic ‘could get even worse’ if they made this trade. Francis has as much baggage as McGrady, and possibly more.”

    -- Chad Ford, June 22, 2004

    “This is what happens when you let a hockey guy run an NBA team. We're less than 36 hours away from Thursday's NBA draft and Magic general manager John Weisbrod, who happens to hold both the No. 1 pick and the NBA's hottest trading commodity, can't make up his mind about anything.”

    -- Chad Ford, June 23, 2004

    “A number of NBA GMs snickered when Weisbrod, whose only real experience to date had been running a minor-league hockey franchise, was given the task of bringing the franchise back from the dead. … When word leaked that the deal the Magic were most seriously contemplating, a swap of McGrady, Juwan Howard and Tyronn Lue for Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato, just about everyone in the league shook their head and said, off the record, of course, ‘I told you so.’ Now it might be Weisbrod who is having the last laugh.”

    -- Chad Ford, Oct. 20, 2004
     
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    That's not going to prove anything if we beat the Magic...in fact we SHOULD beat the Magic..in any event, both teams are better off after the trade, bottom line. Weisbrod wouldn't be sitting so pretty though if the Magic didn't get the 1st pick overall, or G. Hill was still injury ridden....I mean without the number 1 pick and G. Hill, the Magic would look like a really sad team.
     
  17. Rockets34Legend

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    I know we should beat the Magic, that's not the issue. I just want to stick it to Wiseass and the rest of his sorry squad.
     
  18. MLittle577

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    T-Mac must have a stinch of S**T on him the way some of these people talk about him. Wasn't Ford saying that Phoenix and another team had a better package to offer Orlando? And now he's oraising the moves the team made? WTF?? Talk about wishy-washy.
     
  19. shawn786

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    Priceless
     
  20. CriscoKidd

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    I knew the Magic got the better end of the deal when Wisebrood pointed out that Francis elbowed Amare in the throat.

    I bet Mobe will be able to get a max contract from the Magic if he piledrives Earl Boykins on the court.

    I haven't seen that Magic fan pipe in much since the trade went through.
     

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