LMFAO!!! this is just hilarious!! I really hate Lebron James.. I think LeBron James is hands down the most overrated and overhyped player in the history of the NBA. I am watching his game against PHX right now and I really dont see anything special. the guy can dunk, no doubt about it, but he isn't an "MVP candidate" and he isn't "the best player in the league". he isn't even a top 10 players IMHO. I mean, Tmac locks him down almost everytime we play them. everybody in the league and in the media overhype him except for ESPN's "1st and 10", where this one guy said he would take 10 players over LeBron right now and he included Ming and Mac! I really think LeBron has nothing on Andre Iguodola. I actually think Iguodola is even a little better. both of them can do fancy dunks (in fact, Andre is much more creative with his dunks compared to LeBron's "arm extention" boring dunks), Iguodola can shoot, but Lebron might be a little better. other than that, I dont see any reason for all the hype for Lebron. but since he makes weird face expressions, wears Nikes, and wears #23, he is regarded as the "next MJ".
after watching him avoid your responses in the VSpan threads, you are surprised? His analysis is weak in that area, so he only responds to people who wont b****slap his arguments You're hating me about now aintcha RMac?
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_iguodala/career_stats.html http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron_james/career_stats.html Player FG% 3p% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PPG James .478 .339 .697 6.8 6.1 1.6 0.7 3.57 27.1 Iguodola .458 .287 .828 5.5 5.1 2.1 0.3 3.20 17.0 FG% is very similar for both players 3p% belongs to Lebron, even though Andre is pretty close, but they are both mediocre 3pt shooters FT% belongs to Iguodola, Lebron is a bad freethrow shooter RPG Lebron has 1 more reb per game, mainly because he is a Forward, Andre is more of a 2 APG close, but LeBron got more assists because he does most of the play making, Andre has been overshadowed by Allen "ballhog" Iverson SPG Iguodola gets more steals per game, better defensive player BPG Lebron has .3 more than Iguodola, not that big of a difference considering that both average less than 1 block a game TO very close, Lebron has slightly more all of those numbers are closely even, without looking @ the ppg, they are posting very similar numbers. now lets go to the PPG, Lebron averages 10 more points than Andre. but after a little calculation, I figured out the Attempts per game for each player by dividing total attempts by games played, here's what I found out: James 20.4 attempts per game Iguodola 11.7 attempts per game LeBron averages almost twice the attempts of Iguodola. Andre has been playing with Iverson so obviously that takes away from his attempts. now lets apply Andre's FG% to Lebron attempts and see how many points Andre would average if he takes attempts as many shots as Lebron: (assuming attempts are constant): FG% pts Lebron .478 27.1 Andre .458 X (.458*27.1) / .478 = 26 ppg this means if Iguodola takes the same number of attempts as LeBron does, he would average 26 ppg. last three games for Iguodola: 24, 22, and 34 points. now why doesn't Iguodola get the hype LeBron does? because he doesn't wear #23, he doesn't do weird face expressions, he doesn't call himself "king James", and he doesn't have a "the Andre's" nike commercial with a baby Andre, a wise Andre, an athletic Andre, and a fancy Andre..
I really dont remember avoiding Nike's posts in any of the Vspan threads, I might be mistaken though, because we've had quite a few Vspan threads I think you are getting me confused with another guy w/ "Rockets" or "Mac" in his name, we have quite a few people with similar monikers. I actually like your most recent Vspan thread, and if u read my post, I dont think u would disagree with me because I am not a typical "Vspan for MVP" guy. and no R2K, I dont hate u. . I actually enjoy constructive discussion with the likes of u and Nike because I really respect both of y'alls opinions...
I didn't say that... and no Tinman, I am not trying to be funny.. if u are such a big fan of LBJ, sorry if I offended u, go back to master-baiting on LeBron's highlights on NBA TV..(hi-jacked from "master baiter" moniker) just look @ the numbers, nothing more. it's all in the numbers.. LBJ is obviously a good player, I cant say that he sucks. I was just trying to bring into consideration all the "hype" surrounding him. I dont have a problem with all the hype as long as it's consistent for everyone. but I really wonder why LeBron is regarded as one of the best players in the history of the game while other players dont even get mentioned...
wrong. when you are trying to compare LeBron to Andre Igodula, then you might as well say VSPAN is better than Steve Nash. once again, this is trolling. the thread is not " I think Lebron is over hyped" its about LeBron signing more endorsements. If lebron was bad as you think he is, Microsoft wouldn't pay him. Even Linux wouldn't endorse him.
Uh, you said. If he has nothing on Iguodala, it would follow that you would take Iguodala over LeBron. Just like the numbers say Spanoulis has been the 4th most effective PG on the Rockets behind Rafer, Lucas, and Head, and thus gets playing time accordingly. But yeah. The numbers say LeBron scores 10 more ppg, more assists, more rebounds, on better percentages on a team on pace to win 21 more games. I'd say LeBron has plenty on Iguodala. Look, you admit here you hate LeBron, and you've admitted to relishing opportunities to hate on Luther Head, Rafer Alston, et. al. Your statistical comparison comments are laughable -- +.5 steals make Iguodala a hands down better defensive player (he is, but not because of that), but +.4 blocks are "close". Further, you keep referencing Iverson as holding down Iggy's stats -- the guy played 15 of the 45 Philly games this year! You are welcome to enjoy your distorted world, but seeing you present it as reality is tiresome. I'm not taking anything away from Iguodala - he's a very talented player, and will possibly be a perennial all-star in the not too distant future. I'm also not here to annoint James as Jordan reloaded or what not. But sitting here thinking Iguodala compares to LeBron is flat out ridiculous.
that's his point. he's trying to be funny. if he said LeBron vs Kobe or Tmac or Dwade, it would sound like he wants a serious discussion about LeBron's overhypeness compared to players his same level. To say that Lebron is the same level as Iguodala is saying that Steve Nash is on the same level as Moochie Norris. I think it would be easier to entertain the Clutchfans if he posted pictures or trying something more creative.
tinman and Nike, keep making jokes, it's alright, because I know neither one of y'all get my point.. I am not trying to prove that Iggy is better than LeBron, I am trying to bring into consideration the "hype" surrounding LeBron. I chose Iggy because he does fancy dunks like LeBron. but why dont Microsoft sign a deal with Iggy instead of LeBron? because LeBron is overhyped. I didn't like all the hype around LeBron ever since he got into the league, I started hating LeBron personally after the allstar game last year, when he stole the MVP from Tmac with a dirty play (I know it really doesn't matter for Tmac because MVP of ASG isn't B.S, but that tells u how silly LeBron is). I dont understand how he was the leader in the ASG voting this year. all I am saying is, the guy is overhyped.. and Nike, please, stop stalking my posts.. O.K?? I really dont feel like talking about Vspan in a "Microsoft signs deal with LeBron" thread. u are just following me around trying to appear smart. u keep insisting that I am a Vspan homer while in reality I am not. can u please leave me alone now? P.S: I would suggest u read my post in R2K's Vspan thread instead of stalking my posts and trying to negate everything I say.
After this gem, and a post comparing them statistically, in an effort to give Iguodala the edge. Because Microsoft is a business. LeBron is the most marketable player in the NBA. Gee, who would you want to represent your product? Again, you live in your own little NBA world. LeBron is an extremely marketable player - your utter hatred for him is obviously a minority opinion in light of the all-star voting. What does LeBron being overhyped have to do with Microsoft? They deal with the reality - LeBron can be a good marketing agent for them. You're the one who brought up the other stuff. He's the leader in voting because he's a very marketable player who performs well. Yes, he's probably overhyped, but don't try and take away how good he is by lowering him to Iguodala's level. Don't flatter yourself. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy of using one metric for comparing two players on completely different teams, but completely avoiding that metric when comparing who actually do compare in the same environment. You make it pretty easy for me to "appear smart" if all I have to do is point out your inconsistencies. Already covered there. You do your usual garbage about how JL3 and Head are awful, which is funny in light of this thread where you say "just look @ the numbers, nothing more. it's all in the numbers..(sic), considering just how badly they've outperformed V-Mac. I would suggest you refrain from topics where you have strong feelings about the players involved, because it's obvious you can't separate your opinions about certain players from their actual performance.
you are the one making jokes. hey Iguadala is better than Lebron.. hahahah! They want to make more money. They are not going to endorse a nobody. 1. Ok you hate him. fine. start a I hate lebron thread. 2. Voting = majority wins. Majority of NBA fans voted for this guy. Ask them. 3. WATCH NBA BASKETBALL.
The flaw in your logic is you don't account for the fact that one is the facillitator of all of his teams offence and the focus of the defense on every play. By that same logic, Okafor should be comparable to Yao and should be getting the same "hype" as Yao. I mean look at the stats Okafor: Min FG M A Pct 3pt M A Pct FT:M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG 35:42 6.1 11.4 53.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.8 4.6 60.4 4.0 7.4 11.4 1.2 1.9 0.7 2.9 3.0 15.0 Yao: 34:36 9.3 17.9 52.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.2 8.3 86.7 2.1 7.4 9.4 2.1 3.8 0.4 2.2 3.3 25.9 FG% is very similar for both players (Okafor is higher) 3p% is negligible, they both dont' shoot 3s FT% belongs to Yao (almost 30% better FT shooter), Okafor is a bad freethrow shooter RPG Okafor is averaging 2 more per game APG close but negligible SPG Okafor gets .3 more steals not that big of a difference considering that both average less than 1 steal a game BPG Okafor gets more than .7 more - he is a better off the ball defender TO is not very close, Yao has way more most of those numbers are close, without looking @ the ppg, they are posting very similar numbers with Okafor better in Rebounds, blocks and less turnovers while Yao is shooting better FT and slighlty higher assist. now lets go to the PPG, Yao averages 10 more points than Andre. but he also average 6.5 more attempts than Okafor. Now lets apply Okafor's FG% to Yao's attempts and see how many points Okafor would average if he takes attempts as many shots as Yao.... ********************************** You see how faulty that logic becomes if you don't actually watch the players play and realize how different in talent levels they are?
