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[ESPN Insider] Who Has the Most Pro Potential

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by wallyj12, May 21, 2010.

  1. thumbs

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    Where did Hollinger rate Chase Budinger last year?
     
  2. aelliott

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    Here's the 2009 Rankings:

    1. Ty Lawson North Carolina 16.34
    2. Blake Griffin Oklahoma 16.21
    3. Tyreke Evans Memphis 15.02
    4. Austin Daye Gonzaga 14.24
    5. Stephen Curry Davidson 14.18
    6. Nick Calathes Florida 13.66
    7. DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh 13.56
    8. Danny Green North Carolina 13.28
    9. Jonny Flynn Syracuse 12.99
    10. James Harden Arizona St. 12.97
    11. Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut 12.90
    12. Earl Clark Louisville 12.88
    13. Jrue Holiday UCLA 12.73
    14. Jeff Teague Wake Forest 12.50
    15. Gerald Henderson Duke 12.17
    16. Paul Delaney UAB 11.85
    17. Aaron Jackson Duquesne 11.83
    18. Darren Collison UCLA 11.80
    19. Terrence Williams Louisville 11.80
    20. Leo Lyons Missouri 11.53
    21. Eric Maynor VCU 11.35
    22. John Bryant Santa Clara 11.30
    23. DeMarre Carroll Missouri 11.18
    24. Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina 11.11
    25. Wayne Ellington North Carolina 11.04
    26. Jordan Hill Arizona 10.97
    28. B.J. Mullens Ohio State 10.81
    30. James Johnson Wake Forest 10.63
    31. Chase Budinger Arizona 10.51
    45. Derrick Brown Xavier 9.55
    48. DaJuan Summers Georgetown 9.38
    51. Jodie Meeks Kentucky 9.35
    52. Sam Young Pitt 9.34
    54. DeMar DeRozan USC 9.26
    62. Toney Douglas Florida St. 8.56
    68. Patrick Mills St. Mary's 8.36
    83. Jack McClinton Miami 6.64
     
  3. roslolian

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    I think one thing the PER projection doesn't take into account is character. Projected PER is primarily based on their performance against lower level talent in a collegiate system. These guys all have amazing talent, however they will be coming into a league full of guys with amazing talent as well. If someone has shaky character (like cousins), then the bust factor rises exponentially and the prospect might turn out to be overweight and a knucklehead on the court.

    I think leebigez has it right, for big men lottery picks you want guys who are explosive and not just guys who are long or can jump pretty high. The game has trended towards wings so much that big guys who have post moves but aren't explosive turn out to be roleplayers (Dejuan Blair being the poster boy for this).

    Being overweight is a really big flag to me-if a guy can't even get into shape in the biggest day of his life how do you expect him to be in shape when he already has guaranteed millions in the bank?
     
  4. coachbadlee

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    I see Jordan Hill was #26 which is actually very good out 80+. ;)
     
  5. coachbadlee

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    Wheres Brandon Jennings and Ricky Rubio?
     
  6. BetterThanEver

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    I still think his list is awful. Half of the guys in front of Jordan Hill aren't even as good as him.
     
  7. coachbadlee

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    7 of the top 12 names were well known over the course of last season. T. Evans, Dejuan Blair, James Harden, Johnny Flynn, Stephen Curry, Blake Griffin( although he did'nt play, i think he will still be awesome) and Thabeet (who was starting to come on towards end of season). The others will probably break out their 2nd season.
     
  8. MrButtocks

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    That's not true. Kevin Love and Brook Lopez are not explosive athletes by any means, but they were the best big men out of their draft, by far. Love was actually quite pudgy at UCLA, only trimming down for the combine and this past season. And what about the players below?

    Yao Ming
    Zach Randolph
    Luis Scola
    Carlos Boozer
    Al Jefferson (post injury)
    Chris Kaman
     
  9. coachbadlee

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    Greivas Vasquez's rating is virtually the same as Johnny Flynn, James Harden and Hasheem Thabeet. Interesting.
     
  10. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    he's more NBA ready since he stayed 4 years in school and he's a good-great shooter and creator.

    He will surprise like Chase Budinger did last season.
     
  11. roslolian

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    Um, kevon love's fat percentage ws 3.5% less than cousins. In fact cousins was so fat he's like the 4rth fattest dude in draftexpress' database. Big diff imho.

    Lopez being the best man out of his class doesn't mean anything as his bigman crop was weak.Also wasn't Lopez the only healthy net during the season where the Nets became the 2nd most pathetic team in NBA history? Some bigman he is :rolleyes:

    Although Scola and Boozer don't really dunk, they seem pretty explosive to me. Whenever I see scola or boozer scoring I always see guys who can move in a limited space pretty quickly. That to me is explosion.

    Al J(post injury), Randolph and Kaman are pretty good examples of guys who have advanced post moves but no explosion. Their moves seem pretty robotic and predictable, which is why their production isn't very efficient.

    Kaman FG% 0.49%
    Al Jefferoson 0.498%
    Zach Randolph 0.488%

    Luis Scola 0.514%
    Carlos Boozer 0.562%
     
  12. coachbadlee

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    Did anyone notice that Hollinger got 11 of the first 18 right? :confused:
     
  13. coachbadlee

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    ..last year.
     
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    whiteside, ekpe, are too skinny to be contribute anytime soon i think they may bust.
     
  15. dragonz

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    Pretty low, huh? Don't overlook Whiteside's talent just because Rockets have a chance to draft him.
    To me, Whiteside has everything that could be turning into a fail. Young, relaying on athleticism, raw offense, bad defensive positioning (alot of his blocks are coming from behind), skinny.
     
  16. coachbadlee

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    If the chips fall the right way, he can be our project big.
     
  17. dragonz

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    Well, yes, If the chips fall correctly I can make living in casino too, but that's not the right way to go, don't you think?
     
  18. coachbadlee

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    By chips i mean adding another veteran big(Shaq/Miller)to help bring him along. For a 2-3 year project, sure why not.
     
  19. jump shooter

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    LOL, you obviously haven't seen Udoh play.
     
  20. coachbadlee

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    Well he is dropping out of the lottery a bit.
     

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