Exactly. Anyone who saw the Rockets play the Mavs in the first round saw a team on the rise, needing a few pieces. Add that Texas doesn't have a state income tax, and Houston is one of the favored places for players to live during the off-season (and we've heard all this before), then Houston becomes very attractive. Whether anything comes of it is something else altogether. Kidd seems near impossible. That contract is a killer.
that's not true. I believe they traded Eric Williams, a bag of jelly beans, and a Carl Yastrzemski baseball card for Carter
Just for the sake of argument -- if the Rox landed J-Kidd (as if), how would T-Mac's game respond to playing off the ball?
I would say landing TMac by having Yao is huge, I think similiar things could happen with Kidd now that have both Yao and TMac, conceivably Kidd could get a championship ring here.
Kidd wants out naturally in this stage of his career. Vince & Jefferson is no Yao Ming & TMac, so Kidd will never have a championship with Carter and Jefferson, but have a great chance to wear a ring with TMac & Yao.
That's my feeling as well. Ususally the young players go for the money. It is some of the vets that might take less money to go with a winning situation since they are at the end of their careers.
I would say it's huge only if Kidd is willing to take a huge pay cut (which is unlikely) to make the deal salary-cap feasible for us. I don't know how huge it will be if we have to get Kidd with a max contract. I for one don't think it's a good idea.
Is it even CBA-'legal' for an NBA player to take a pay cut from an existing contract? There is wording to that effect, not allowing, but I don't know the specifics.
xiki- Please read NIKE's response in the CWebb thread and never propose a player taking a pay cut ever again. http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?threadid=96445
Ok, how about this? A player like J-Kidd or C-Webb in the negotiations with another team trading for them getting an agreement the player will retire 1 year before their contract is up? And/Or agree to a buyout their final year for peanuts? (I think this option won't free up the cap space while a retirement will). Of course they player could not honor thier word.
Thanks for the answer. Note: I have never proposed a player salary cut, and said it was unkosher, to boot. As long as you're replying to me, how about the question I asked earlier in this thread: Just for the sake of argument -- if the Rox landed J-Kidd (as if), how would T-Mac's game respond to playing off the ball?
That agreement would be CBA circumvention. I prefer not to think in those terms. And it still doesn't change the fact you're paying them 18 or however many million to be your 3rd best player.
read what NIKE said and I am not sure if this is possible, but it seems that a team cannot change a contract if it is at or above the cap. so what i think could be the only realistic way to get kidd maybe is send a player (outside of t-mac/yao) and future picks next offseason while letting our expiring contracts giving us cap flexibility. Then all the IFS come in: Trade for Kidd and if we're below the cap renegiotiate his contract. Then Re-sign yao to the max. that is a whole lotta IFS and with the new cba coming who knows what may happen, but as much as Jason wants to come to Houston and as much as I would love to have him here I think its more impossible than last years t-mac trade. T-mac had leverage coming upon an opt-out year, Jason has none at this point. As for Tracy playing off the ball, I think he can play off the ball easily. He loves to come of curls for that mid range jumper and Kidd is such a setup man that T-Mac would just have to have an inch of daylight and Kidd will find him. Kidd and Yao PnRs as well as T-mac and Yao PnRs would be killer. Kidd can penetrate and dish to Yao for layups the way nash is doing with Amare right now. Anyways the only way the Kidd is on the Rockets is if you are playing NBA 2k5.
Sigh, apparently you missed the part where you can't renegotiate downwards. I won't even go into how the logistics of what you're suggesting also don't work. We barely have enough players outside the expiring contracts plus Yao/Tmac. Further, Yao hits the cap before he's resigned, doesn't matter if you wait to do that later. All Bucher is saying what Kidd would want. It doesn't mean it's feasible from Houston OR New Jersey's perspectives. Bucher recognizes this, I hope everyone else does as well.
Somehow, even IF Kidd was legally allowed to renegotiate his contract under CBA rules, I just don't see him doing that unless he gets more money. MAYBE defer the money, but to outright give money back that won't come back to him, his peers would rightfully call him an idiot and more importantly he knows himself that is idiotic. And save the "Well he gets to play with TMac and Yao and potentially get a ring", he knows that's not guaranteed, unlike the guaranteed money he's getting right now that you guys are presumptuously assuming he'll throw away for a better chance at a ring. Not a reach to say money is as important to winning/rings amongst majority of players. I just find it ignorant for fans to suggest this kind of stuff, just like to suggest Jeff Bagwell should retire since he's not once the player he was...of course he's not going to retire! He's got millions of dollars still coming to him, he's not going to turn that away...he wants that money therefore he's going to play out his contract like a smart person would. (yeah I know I went off topic with that, but it correlates with this paycut crap that some are suggesting).
His peers would call him a precedent setting turncoat (precedent? Magic Johnson was the first I know of who gave money back so Lakes could sign someone, which several others subsequently did in the 80s causing this to be written into the CBA).
