Trevor Ariza's numbers are so bad I just don't understand why you think his value is so high? fg% .391/ 3p% .291/ ft% .702 ts% .483 is 7th worst of all qualifying SF's and is 2nd worst among SF's who play at least 25 mpg. His per of 11.11 is well below league average of 15.00 and many of his stats are at career lows, while playing with the best pg he has every played with. I just don't think his defense or rebounding for that matter is good enough to make up for how bad those offensive numbers are.
If you're going to spout crap like that bolded section, I'll be blunt then. You're a delusional, arrogant moron and will probably end up on my ignore list if you are literally convinced you are the gift to Rockets fandom that you seem to claim you are. Now I'm going to try one final time: Your argument, when it comes down to it, ignores stats and simply spouts, "Ariza is a starter. Lee is not. Therefore, Ariza is better, even if stats say otherwise." So answer the question I posited to you earlier. Was trading starter Rafer Alston for backup Kyle Lowry who continued to remain a backup for the next season and a half a bad move? Or suppose Martin gets injured and Lee starts in his place. Is he now a starter, and so much better, even though the only thing that's changed is that he's playing more minutes because our overall wing rotation is much weaker? Or suppose Trevor joins the Heat tomorrow. Does the fact that the Heat would be winning games with Trevor on the roster prove him to be a winner, or would the fact that he would be on the bench show that he's now a lot worse of a player? And how did Ariza contribute so much more than Lee to that ring? If Lee and Ariza had switched, would the Magic have won the title that year? These are all the points that show that your argument is fundamentally flawed. Period.
You guys are something else. I am out. Enough emotion here from fans make me feel I am dealing with females. Which isnt bad but if your male is if you act so emotional to every post by a perosn as your sole response to them because you hate the idea they are besting you. Its ok. You will be fine. Its just words. You dont like me I get it. I am unintelligent because I dont agree with you. Big bad guy who spells bad and makes you feel real bad inside. Sorry. I didnt know effected you guys so much. Mam.
I'd like to see Morey build a team from scratch. See what he can do with high-ish draft picks and young talent. If he's as good a GM as people think he is, then he should do pretty good, right?
As long as your losing games violator. Join that group. Group therapy for you three when the season is over Ariza started the whole season. Lee did not start and we have a worst record than Hornets. Until then none of you have room to talk for as longas thats happening. Complete and total stupidity for losing team argument. Dont even have a winning team or starter to brag about. Just complete and total lack of position on the subject whatsoever. Let alone high ground to take on the issue. Might even last years where I hold the hold ground for this conversation and Lee is never significant or we keep losing with him here.
Years of losing and Lee not starting. Just think about your position before you utter another word and I bring this up daily.
How do you know he will never play close to 30 minutes a game? Stats per 36 minutes Trevor @ $6.32 Mil in his 6th pro season 11.4 pts/ 5.7 reb/ 2.2 ast/ 1.7 stl/ .4 blk Lee @ $1.35 Mil in his 3rd pro season 14.3 pts/ 3.5 reb/ 1.9 ast/ 1.2 stl/ .3 blk According to Hollingers numbers(estimated wins added) Ariza .6 Lee 1.2( in half the minutes) According to basketball reference Ariza ows(offensive win share) is -.4 (really bad) dws(defensive win share) is 3.1 for an overall win share of 2.7 Lee(half the minutes) ows is .9 dws is .5 for an overall win share of 1.4 So now that you know the stats are actually very similar. Lets move onto this whole starter thing. First off he is ahead of quincy pondexter on the depth chart, whoopty freakin do. There once was a time we started ryan bowen, did that make him better than all bench players in the nba? I think not
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As long as you have a losing team and Courtney isn't starting or getting significant minutes for mediocre to losing team. Your stance is not looking good now or for the future either. They cant stop because they know its true.
I really don't care where you are. I usually read posts by LTF, usually don't read your posts, but happened read LTF's quote of you. Honestly, and with all due respect, you're making a fool of yourself here. You should consider a vacation. Relaxation might flush the constipated mental fibers.
Last thing before I go get hammered. By your logic if just being on a bad TEAM automatically makes every individual player bad, and being part of a good TEAM automatically makes every individual player good. Why hasn't minnesota traded kevin love for trevor ariza? Or the clippers offered up blake griffin for him? Those teams have worse records than even us they should be jumping all over ariza if they really want winners.
Noted... The Idea that this team wouldn't be losing, with Ariza playing is hilarious, given his NBDL play this year. Overall is Ariza a more athletic player, and should Ariza play better? Yes he should, as I said, the problem is, Ariza DOES NOT play team oriented ball, he makes bad decisions night in, and night out. He just does... Lee is not the answer, and no one is saying he is, just that the trade was basically the same level player(based on how they ACTUALLY play, not how they SHOULD be playing), minus the errors, and bad shots. Ariza career stats http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3860/career;_ylt=AvNPQWnjNrlLlSvJZorSHUUQPaB4 Lee career stats http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4484/career;_ylt=AvNPQWnjNrlLlSvJZorSHUXhPaB4 Sorry to tell you man, they are almost identical as far as numbers go...Lee is just younger by a bit So basically you feel that the karma and fate of the Rockets and Hornets lies within the lives of Lee and Ariza...interesting, pointless, absurd, borderline r****ded, but interesting none the less... You do realize since bringing in Ariza the Hornets are worse than they were last year right? Or are you intentionally going around that bit of information? Why not? Are you somehow allowed to make up hypothetical ideas about the NBA and how it functions and we are not? That's so very Hitler of you, thanks... Contrary to your meaningless ideas about Ariza being the fundamental universal spark plug for the Rockets, I, along with a pantheon of other Rockets fans, undoubtedly disagree with said notion...I will also note, that I will continue to express said opinion, whether you give a damn or not... You're right, we should just trade back for Ariza, and watch the wins come pouring in! That 11 points per game is going to carry the Rockets into "out of control" mode... Who knew but you, that we don't need Melo, or Ganger, or any other supposed superstar...all the Rockets need is Ariza, and the stars will align in heaven, and the glory will be infinite... Scola? You think Ariza is someone to brag about compared to Scola? Martin? lmao...Martin was in a few article about being good enough for an All Star nod... was Ariza...hmmmm Agreed, Hence why Ariza was let go...go show old chap... WTF???? You do realize the Rockets last year played WAY better than they actually were right?
I dont care what you think. Thats just more of the same talk like your friends. None of you in real life would talk to me in my face like that. So I am not worried about what you say over the internet, because you keep getting your feelings hurt over another male bench player.
Now you jordannn are a smart apple. You have good points but somehow Arizaand his impact vs Lee and his nonimpact dont have the same correlation to those other things.. Lee is not playing on a losing team. Ariza is a starter and always was before we traded him. He is still making bigger contributions that Lee is. Lee has never started over Martin or Battier but Ariza was good enough to start over both at one point. Two different scales of players with Ariza and Lee. Also different than those other teams players and situations but you at least have some great points.
I work in a supermax prison, and I talk crap daily to people I know for a fact, would smash you...not to mention I've been in my fair share of fights at work...weekly I might add. So let's not pretend you're the internet MMA champ just yet ok?
You "don't care" and you've said "I'm out," but you keep posting. Make up your mind, kid. And I can assure you that I would say everything I've posted in this thread directed to you to your face. Absolutely. Why would I not? A better question is, why on earth would I bother?
