Its more like we know Harden's value and it seems like the front office knows it too. You guys just want to get rid of him for the sake of "moving on."
Look at what Kawhi leonard got the Spurs, he's younger and the media loved him too Look what Chris paul got the Hornets in 2011, when he was considered a superstar at the perfect age to be your superstar for the next 8 years. You just dont get equal value.
What is your definition of special? Lead league in scoring last 3 seasons In MVP race last 4 seasons won once One of the greatest scorers in league history Do you consider James Top 8 in the league? Do you think the league believes he is not special because of his style of play and the fact that he is a ‘Dooooouccchee”? If that is your reasoning it is flawed. The only concern teams have is backing up the Brinks truck for him and mortgaging future picks only to have him leave. The plus is two years under contract with a final year at $47 mil or something. He will not walk away from that.
Reading is still fundamental bro. Please go back and re-read again what I said. I said Harden is a good defender not a great defender and I stand by that statement. Learn the difference between criticism vs a honest assessment. Don't be so quick to defend a narrative that you lose sight of the actual truth. You can use advanced metrics for almost anything you want, doesn't mean squat if the numbers are taken out of context. Also defense is not black and white. There is on ball defense, strong side defense, zone defense, weak side defense, switch defense, passing lane defense, post defense, and a ton more that I don't have time to name. Just because a player is "good" at certain aspects of defense that doesn't necessarily make them an "elite" defender in my book.
He has one year left on his deal and is coming off an injry. You dont get equal value but you dont get bent over. Im sorry but we arent just taking any deal because you hate the guy and want him gone now.
Dude he was literally my avatar for 4 years. But go ahead and paint me as a hater when in reality im just reasonable and y’all bot. just like the celtics fanbase who thinks jaylen brown is too much to give up for Harden (lol at that) the rockets fanbase is just as delusional when they think they get equal value. The right path is somewhere in between. i remember a couple of years ago some People here thought we should get anthony davis for 3 1st round picks, ryan anderson and eric Gordon. Every fanbase does that, it’s not new. But some of you will get heavily disappointed with the return on james.
Did you notice that Hollywood made tons of disasters movies and you will never seen one just showing how the grass grown in your backyard? Watching idiots here arguing with each others is more entertaining than any craps on the TV or the court now.
Pretend like he didnt put it on the clippers, who were the title favorites also. He was also dealing with an injury and STILL played big. You are trying come up with reasons the nuggets should want to give up a rising star for an old one and its pathetic. Clearly there are more reasons to keep him than trade him since he isnt going anywhere. Rockets fans are the only ones acting like it should be a no brainer. Everyone else knows it would be stupid.
He averaged 22 on 56 TS% against the Clippers, that's good....but thats really what you should expect from him. That Utah series was an outlier. He most likely wont get close to that every again. James Harden is way better than him.....like way way WAY better. Harden and Jokic is a championship right there. Im not saying the Nuggets will, but it is honestly a fair offer. The "old" star is a top 30 of all time player what's pathetic is that you dont know his value and you are trying to convince other people to take crap trades. There is no guarantee that Jamal Murray ever performs that well ever again.
No one is saying we will get a fair return, its James Harden, but we arent getting bent over. You guys should understand that and our FO clearly does. Its getting the least crap offer not the offer to get him off the team.
Why is it likely? Because it doesnt fit your narrative? He was playing through an injury in the bubble. You can pretend you are right, but the fact hes still a nugget should tell you you're wrong. Murray and MPJ plus picks is STUPID for the nuggets. Just like the thunder were STUPID to trade james back when he was just a good young player with potential.
The concern is Tilman. Im not trying to beat up on the guy, but he is no smarter than the average fan. If you've been around these forums for awhile, you know many of these fans are not the brightest when it comes to BBOPs. There are many fans who thought a CP3/Westbrook swap was an ok deal. Dont be surprised if Tilman ends up trading Harden for Gobert at the deadline.
What a narrative? The bubble had several shooters have a significant spike in shooting? Im going by facts. Do you really expect him to average 40 against a team in the playoffs again like he did? Or do you expect him to be better than Harden? Dont be stupid. He wasnt playing through an injury till he got to the Lakers series, I swear, that's the only explanation you can ever come up with. To compare that trade to the Harden deal is absolutely idiotic. We are trading a top 3(at worst) player to go play with another top 10 player. You have a two year title window. The Nuggets arent going to win the title any time soon as it is. Im not saying they should trade MPJ, Murray and picks but one of those players and picks is more than a fair offer and it should be Murray. But it will likely be MPJ if they do offer him.
why is it stupid? for all you know Murray is the next Harden. im sure lots of people would've laughed if you saw James hardens lone finals performance and you said that guy will be better than prime TMac in a few years. why would the nuggets want a two year title window when they can have 8-10 yr window? lebron is on his way out. Murray, jokic, and MPJ will be in their prime at that time. are you telling me if you were the nuggets GM you would make that trade ? take a step back and look at it objectively and not as a rockets fan.
Besides Luka and Giannis which are givens (under 30) Who rounds out your top 10 elites. I am only curious. And since we don’t know one another to be clear I am not crapping on you, just conversation.
