[ESPN] GM Survey - Deron Williams Best PG

Definitely Williams, right now. CP3 may be better when healthy. Old man Nash still belongs in the top 3 PG's.

Derrick Rose won't ever be that good until he learns how to shoot.

Rajon Rondo is even worse at shooting.

 

Deron is really good. They ran into Spurs early and Lakers later every year. And did a lot of upsets otherwise. They would beat Suns if they met.

The players there are just injury-prone and can't get a good seed, otherwise they'd be WCF every year.

Deron is better than CP3 hands down. Deron can play off the ball, CP3 can't. Deron is a pretty good defender. CP3 doesn't nothing but passing lane.

 

And a healthy Yao is....

 

It's hilarious how opinions change when a player is out with an injury for the majority of the year. One year ago there wasn't even a discussion as everybody would say Chris Paul=best PG. If Deron and Paul would be out for this season, the next poll would say "60% of GMs beleive Rose is the best PG in the NBA".

 

Not for me, I've never taken CP3 over Deron. Deron has won 4 playoff series, 3 of them without HCA. CP3 on the other hand, won one and lost one with HCA.

You can argue CP3 has better stats when he's healthy. But he can't play off ball, he can't defend strong PG due to his small frame. He has more holes than Deron to exploit in playoff

 

paul's best player in his career is david west. deron has? there's your answer. there's a reason when chris paul is healthy, almost everybody considers him the best PG. we don't know how he will play post-injury, but deron has it now bc of last year.

but 2 years ago, it was near unanimous that paul was the best PG.

 

Boozer isn't much better than West. And Chandler is better than Okur in his prime. I always think CP3's numbers are inflated.

A mobile center that's a top alley hooper. A PF who's very precise at mid-range. A few really good 3pointers shooters. That's a dream setup to inflate the assists. Just ask Nash.

 

uh what?

boozer is a career 54% shooter. he shot 54% his freakin' rookie year. west is a 49% shooter. who's the easier assist?

boozer averages 10 boards for his career. west, a PF, averages freakin' 7.

both are mediocre defenders. but boozer isn't much better than west? boozer is like 2 levels above west.

chandler is better than okur in his prime? another terrible statement that i won't respond to. you can ask yourself why.

deron has had much better talent to work with than paul. you put paul on that utah team and they go further. i put paul on lebron's level 2 years ago in terms of impact on a game. and many people did also. that's how good paul was. is he still good? we'll see.

 

Okur can shoot 3, but he's not the kind of post presence Chandler is. And which one is easy to make assist, 3pointer or dunk? Don't forget, Deron's team beat Nuggets without Okur.

West is as good a shooter as Boozer is, he doesn't go to hoop as much that's why he's shooting a lower %. But a combination of Chandler and West can get you more assists.

I never like a ball dominant PG system, AI did that, Nash did that, LeBron did that, CP3 did that. None of them had much success in playoff. It works well in regular season but easily gets figured out in playoff. When was the last time a team won a championship in that style? Even Magic often fed Jabbar and let the offense run through him, it's not Jabbar did a pick for Magic every time.

A balanced offense, in which you can start the offense from at least 2 players, is always more unstoppable in playoff. On the other hand, the ball-dominant PG can get the best stats as all offense run through him.

 

Stupid t_mac1. Haven't you figured out by now that teammates are completely irrelevant to goodbug? Teams win or lose based on the greatness of their best player. The only time teammates matter is when a player goodbug likes has bad teammates, then it becomes an excuse for poor performance.

 

I've figured out what's relevant to SF_rules and t_mac1 are stats. Playoff success are so irrelevant you guys should buy a "check LeBron's $tats" and be done with it.

 

do you watch anyone outside of kobe? chandler a post presence? he's one of the worst offensive players in the L. the only shot he can get is an alley-oop from paul. why do you think the year paul is injured, chandler is a nobody. post presence? that's laughable.

boozer doesn't go to the hoop either, hence both west and boozer average around 5 ft attempts a game. boozer is a MUCH better jumpshooter than west (if you watch them, you know). west is good, but boozer's jumpshot is wet. plus, boozer is much better in transition (something west is not very good at). like i said, boozer is much better than west. i don't think any bball heads question this.

kobe doesn't dominate the ball? his usage rate was through the roof last year. gasol is just ridiculously efficient when he did get the ball. why do you think gasol and phil wanted more inside play repeatedly throughout last season. the lakers won b/c of their DEFENSE. their offense was inconsistent last year in the playoffs. DEFENSE.

the 4 guys you mentioned: iverson, nash, paul, lebron all did not have an ALL-STAR POST PRESENCE both offensively and defensivly.

dikembe provided little offense. amare isn't a very good defender/rebounder. west is a jumpshooter who averages less rebounds than amare. and shaq was on the downside of his career.

outside of jordan, every perimeter player requires an all-star post presence (both defense/offense) to win b/c most perimeter player handles the ball a lot, sometimes too much.

 

And I guess TMac fanboys fan TMac for a reason. "If I had xxx and xxx, no doubt about it".

 

his funniest argument to me is when he defends kobe's fg%. and he actually believes it.

kobe's 40% shooting in the finals opened things up/made things easier for his teammates.

it's fun discussing with him though. it's like talking to my little brother who just started watching basketball.

 

i like tmac, but i knew his faults. in a perfect world, tmac could be the best player in the L and go down as top 5 of all time. i never claim tmac to be the best player (maybe in 02-03) but kobe was always better than him. a lot of factors, some intrinsic, caused his career to go down a path that even i'm disappointed in. but he was my favorite player and i'll continue to cheer him on. i'm not a bandwagon fan, team or players.

 

if playoff success is the end all be all, jordan isn't the best player of all time, bill russell is.

jordan is the best player of all time b/c he had the best stats, and he won.

lebron has the best stats now, but he needs to win. so if he wins, it's not unfathomable to think he'll go down MJ's path and be top 2-3.

kobe's stats pale in comparison to lebron, and miles behind michael jordan.

 

who are ALL the other allstars? I can only think of Stoudemire. Other players might have made the all star team but I wouldnt consider anyone on those Suns team All-Stars

 

In his defense, goodbug has never actually watched an NBA game as he gets all of his info from ESPN China. And you know how them Chinese love Kobe, so I'm sure they only showed the handful of shots he made in the Finals instead of the hundreds of bricks he laid.

 

Hopefully the nonbelievers will finally understand just how good slow, white, old Steve Nash is when he takes yet another mediocre-talented team to at least the 2nd round this year. You could put Nash on the T-wolves and he'd get them to the playoffs.