This is largely a fallacy, this is the case for every position, every prospect. From Ki-Jana Carter to Blair Thomas to Tony Mandarich to Robert Gallery to Courtney Brown to Dan Wilkerson--there is no such thing impact NFL player. Bush isn't a sure fire NFL impact player, VY isn't, and ML are not either. I know this isn't directed at me but it isn't helpfull. Due to a variety of reasons--foremost the potenital of guys like Bush and Williams but also including David Carr and his contract--it is all but clear the Texans won't take a QB, VY or otherwise. But whether VY or RB or someone else will be the best player in this draft won't be answered for a long time. This is the meat of the debate--who will be the best and who should (not will) the Texans draft. I wouldn't bet against VY, the Texans think another direction is better, history will tell.
You're right, there is no end to b****ing and moaning. You can't fathom how old it gets, though. I'm not in either camp, btw; I just want everyone to shut up.
Well I sit in a office all day working on a computer listening to sports talk radio and I can't agree with you more. It was old after the first week, and hearing matress Mac on 610 this morning made me shut my radio off.
jopatmc has a lot of theories about the Texans trading down to #4 and picking Young. I just dont see it. And Desert Scar, I am not betting against VY as a NFL player. I seriously doubt the Texans are manuevering to pick Vince in the first round. I wouldn't just be shocked, I would freaking faint. And then I would buy my Young jersey.
He didn't say specifcially that he didn't want to trade below the 5th IIRC, but he did mention that there were a group of players that he felt could have an immediate impact on the team. Interesting point he made was that they have already told what they want for the #1 pick to the teams below them. I'm still hoping for a big offer to come from the Jets or someone. Something like #1 for #4 + #29 + #35.
oh dear god. I'm shocked to see that there isn't a thread dedicated to that, I almost drove into a tree this morning listening to that whacko. He is so high strung and just annoying. draft vince! save you money! bring the kiddos! i'm high on coke! arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Mel's Mock today: 1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB USC 2. New Orleans Mario Williams, DE NC State 3. Tennessee Matt Leinart, QB USC 4. N.Y. Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia 5. Green Bay A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St. 6. San Francisco Vernon Davis, TE Maryland 7. Oakland Vince Young, QB Texas 8. Buffalo Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida St. 9. Detroit Michael Huff, DB Texas 10. Arizona Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt 11. St. Louis Chad Greenway, LB Iowa 12. Cleveland Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB Florida St. 13. Baltimore Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon 14. Philadelphia Winston Justice, T USC 15. Denver (from ATL) Chad Jackson, WR Florida 16. Miami Donte Whitner, S Ohio St. 17. Minnesota Ernie Sims, LB Florida St. 18. Dallas Jason Allen, S/CB Tennessee 19. San Diego Johnathan Joseph, CB South Carolina 20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson 21. New England Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio St. 22. Denver (from WSH) DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis 23. Tampa Bay Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida St. 24. Cincinnati Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech 25. N.Y. Giants Kelly Jennings, CB Miami 26. Chicago Richard Marshall CB Fresno St. 27. Carolina LenDale White, RB USC 28. Jacksonville Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA 29. N.Y. Jets (from DEN) Manny Lawson, DE/OLB NC State 30. Indianapolis Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota 31. Seattle Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio St. 32. Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss, WR Miami Second-Round Projections 33. Houston Eric Winston, T Miami 34. New Orleans Nick Mangold, C Ohio St. 35. N.Y. Jets Joseph Addai, RB LSU 36. Green Bay Tamba Hali, DE Penn St. 37. San Francisco Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio St. 38. Oakland Gabe Watson, DT Michigan 39. Tennessee D'Qwell Jackson, LB Maryland 40. Detroit Davin Joseph, G Oklahoma 41. Arizona Leonard Pope, TE Georgia 42. Buffalo Taitusi "Deuce" Lutui, G USC 43. Cleveland Abdul Hodge, LB Iowa 44. Baltimore Brodie Croyle, QB Alabama 45. Philadelphia DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama 46. St. Louis Orien Harris, DT Miami 47. Atlanta Cedric Griffin, CB Texas 48. Minnesota Kellen Clemens, QB Oregon 49. Dallas Marcus McNeill, T Auburn 50. San Diego Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon 51. Minnesota (from MIA) Chris Chester, OL Oklahoma 52. New England Brian Calhoun, RB Wisconsin 53. Washington Rocky McIntosh, LB Miami 54. Kansas City Darryl Tapp, DE Virginia Tech 55. Cincinnati Dominique Byrd, TE USC 56. N.Y. Giants Thomas Howard, LB UTEP 57. Chicago Greg Jennings, WR Western Michigan 58. Carolina Joe Klopfenstein, TE Colorado 59. Tampa Bay Andrew Whitworth, T LSU 60. Jacksonville Jason Spitz, C Louisville 61. Denver Mark Anderson, DE Alabama 62. Indianapolis Daniel Bullocks, DB Nebraska 63. Seattle Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College 64. Pittsburgh Danieal Manning, DB Abilene Christian Third-Round Projections 65. Houston Ko Simpson, DB South Carolina 66. Houston (from NO) Gerris Wilkinson, LB Georgia Tech 67. Green Bay Max Jean-Gilles, G Georgia 68. San Francisco David Pittman, CB Northwestern St. (La.) 69. Oakland Maurice Drew, RB UCLA 70. Buffalo (from TEN) Ryan O'Callaghan, T California 71. N.Y. Jets Brandon Williams, WR Wisconsin 72. Arizona Jon Alston, LB Stanford 73. Buffalo Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame 74. Detroit Devin Hester, CB Miami 75. New England (from BAL) Chris Gocong, DE/LB Cal Poly-SLO 76. Philadelphia Claude Wroten, DT LSU 77. St. Louis David Thomas, TE Texas 78. Cleveland Charles Spencer, G Pittsburgh 79. Atlanta Calvin Lowery, DB Penn St. 80. Dallas Charlie Whitehurst, QB Clemson 81. San Diego Paul McQuistan, OL Weber St. 82. Miami Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee 83. Minnesota Will Blackmon, WR/CB Boston College 84. San Francisco (from WSH) Victor Adeyanju, DE Indiana 85. Kansas City Brandon Marshall, WR Central Florida 86. New England Montavious Stanley, DT Louisville 87. N.Y. Giants Kyle Williams, DT LSU 88. Chicago Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame 89. Carolina Darnell Bing, DB USC 90. Tampa Bay Willie Reid, WR Fresno St. 91. Cincinnati Stanley McClover, DE Auburn 92. Jacksonville Jerome Harrison, RB Washington St. 93. Atlanta (from DEN) Devin Aromashodu, WR Auburn 94. Indianapolis Dusty Dvoracek, DT Oklahoma 95. Minnesota (from SEA) Le Kevin Smith, DT Nebraska 96. Pittsburgh Brent Hawkins, DE/OLB Illinois St. 97. N.Y. Jets (comp. pick) Roman Harper, DB Alabama Fourth-Round Projections 98. Houston James Wyche, DE Syracuse 99. New Orleans Demetrice Webb, CB Florida 100. San Francisco Lawrence Vickers, FB Colorado 101. Oakland Anthony Smith, DB Syracuse 102. Tennessee Leon Washington, RB Florida St. 103. N.Y. Jets Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn St. 104. Green Bay Derrick Martin, CB Wyoming 105. Buffalo Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville 106. New England (from DET) Guy Whimper, T East Carolina 107. Arizona Fred Matua, G USC 108. Philadelphia David Kirtman, FB USC 109. St. Louis Kevin Boothe, OL Cornell 110. Cleveland DeMario Minter, CB Georgia 111. Baltimore Dion Byrum, CB Ohio 112. Cleveland (from ATL) Rodrique Wright, DT Texas 113. San Diego Babatunde Oshinowo, DT Stanford 114. Miami Zach Strief, T Northwestern 115. Minnesota Miles Austin, WR Monmouth 116. Philadelphia (from DAL) Tarvaris Jackson, QB Alabama St. 117. N.Y. Jets (from KC) Greg Eslinger, C Minnesota 118. New England Derek Hagan, WR Arizona St. 119. Denver (from WSH) Owen Daniels, TE Wisconsin 120. Chicago Freddie Keiaho, LB San Diego St. 121. Carolina Jonathan Scott, T Texas 122. Tampa Bay Brandon Johnson, LB Louisville 123. Cincinnati John McCargo, DT NC State 124. N.Y. Giants Jeremy Trueblood, T Boston College 125. Jacksonville James Anderson, LB Virginia Tech 126. Denver Bernard Pollard, DB Purdue 127. Philadelphia (from IND) Hank Baskett, WR New Mexico 128. Seattle John Torp, P Colorado 129. Pittsburgh Andre Hall, RB South Florida
The part of that that I found to be so stupid before I turned it off was how everything Mac was saying had to do with "he'll sell tickets" or "Vince will double the value of your franchise from day one" or "he is a born leader", "he is unbelieveable charismatic". I mean he made absoultely no sense football wise. Everything he was saying was geared toward the marketing ability of Vince if he were to be a Texan. There is nobody who will argue the fact he would be unbelieveably marketable here in Houston, but it seemed like he was refusing to even think about the football part, but maybe he talked more about that after I tuned him out. Of course this is not surprising considering Mac's whole world is marketing, but he just does not understand that the Texans have to make the move that will win them the most games. I just could not stand hearing him anymore.
Did you hear the interview this morning? Like I said I don't know what happened after I tuned out, but for the first 5 minutes before I turned it off his whole arguement had to do with the marketing of Vince.
I've heard Mattress Mac several times raving about vince's playing ability, the marketing, everything. I didn't hear it today, but I've heard him at least twice.
I really don't get the complaints about 610, the chronicle I can understand a little. as much as you guys complain about lord being on vince's nuts, vandemeer has rode carr's jock into the ground since day 1, so he might not like bush as much as lord likes vince, but he doesn't want to see his boyfriend leave houston. matt jackson hates ut, and he doesn't want to see vince here. adam went to ut but of all 610 guys he is probably the most objective. lance is a huge bush guy, and I think when lance talks about vince's positives its mostly lip service. lance thought vince wasn't an nfl qb just at the beginning of this past college season, almost insisting he was gonna have to be a receiver. Grenato is a huge vince guy.
i don't get the complaints because that's what these guys get paid for...not objective journalism they're paid for their opinions. from Granato...to McLain..to Lance...to Charlie..to whoever. they have opinions that foster discussion...the very nature of what sports talk radio is.
The problem with this idea is that, despite all the hype about Bush being such a unique once-in-10-years talent, no one below us really wants him all that much. NO wants defense. Tennessee and NY want QB's. Why would NY trade away so much when they can get the player they want at the 4 spot?
