So how would you have gotten Jon Barry, David Wesley, Ryan Bowen, Luther Head, Juwan Howard etc. better involved? Rudy T era ISO's perhaps?
I like the Paul Pierce comparison, because he has seen similar criticism (except he had been past the 1st round, in a rather weak eastern conference), so i'm running with it here. Pierce had a Usage% of 24.8% last season when they won the championship. It has been higher in the past but because he has a more talented team around him it is lower. Mcgrady's, THIS SEASON, is 24.3%. He has the ball in his hands around just as much as Paul Pierce. Again, this is not an issue, at all. The issue, this season, is his inability to stay healthy and contribute. There is absolutely no evidence that he would hurt this team if he was healthy. It's actually pretty reasonable to believe he would help us, alot.
Before McGrady returned, the Rockets lost two games at home to the Hornets and the Sixers. Both games were lost because our offense ground to a halt in the fourth quarter. When McGrady returned, we won 4 games in a row. We lost the 5th game without Yao to the Jazz because of a very poor defensive 4th quarter. After that game, we went on our 22-game win streak (the first 12 with both Yao and McGrady, the last 10 with only McGrady).
It doesn't matter to DD, cabbage. He's too worked up about McGrady. One post, he'll say he's just talking about the last season or so, the next he's talking about McGrady's entire career. As much as I like DD, and I do, logic has taken a holiday.
so has there been any word about his multiple doctor opinion's now? someone was saying in another thread ESPN was reporting he would be back in a few weeks? also i do believe that this team is deadly with a 100% healthy and focused Mcgrady. BUT there is nothing to prove to me that this season that he will be 100% (he could have been if gone through proper rehab) and 100% focused (which he will never be during the regular season) so I say sit him, the team is starting to form an identity right now with the new lineups and players the last thing we need is McGrady coming back and possibly ruining everything. Listen Mcgrady is an all-nba talent and so you know he and the other players will have to include him somehow and we all know that he is a ball stopper in an involves that is based around ball movement. The only way this works is tmac buying in 100% into this which i dont see happening at all this season so let him get his knee surgery, rehab properly and come back next year re-focused because this season is lost to him. as a side note I believe that he doesnt need microfracture or any surgery but needs to properly work hard on the knee. he may do that right now i dont know, but I do know with a guy who is a mentally fragile like mcgrady who also has a big ego if this team makes it past the first round (which I believe is a very distinct possibility this year if they dont face the spurs or lakers in the first round) without him its going to be a HUGE HUGE black spot on his career.
No it hasn't.... These are two different discussions. 1. I don't want him back because he is hurting the team. 2. I don't want him back because his style of play is bad for advancing in the playoffs. They are different thoughts, but are both reasons not to want him on the team. DD
I'm talking about in his stint with the Rockets. The parameters of this discussion were delineated by your blanket assertion that he is responsible for our past failures. Actually it became a struggle this year when coincidentally, he has sucked.
I am saying it has been a problem his entire career...and in Houston too. Last year he whined about the new offense, and Adelman finally got the team running it when Tmac went out with a knee problem, Tracy saw the team come together and came back and ran it for a while but slowly took over his old role. DD
Everything goes back to him not playing well because he can't do the things he's used to doing. Under those circumstances, he'll search for every excuse, including not getting the ball enough to get in a rhythm.
You're right. My mistake. Though, as I recall, we won that game by the skin of our teeth. The Warriors made a big come back in that fourth quarter after going to small ball against Yao. We were outscored by 7 in the fourth. In the preceding two games without McGrady, we were outscored by 15 points in the fourth by PHI, and 10 points in the fourth by NOH. We became a better fourth quarter team last year after McGrady returned, and that helped ignite the win streak.
A) He was traded from Orlando because he demanded a trade, not because he was a ballhog. B)When we acquired T-mac, JVG said T-mac being a ballhog wasn't true. He said that when he looked at film of T-mac in Orlando he often had a lot of shots because his teammates would pass him the ball when the shot clock was winding down. JVG said T-mac has always been unselfish. But it's your opinion that T-mac is a ball hog so I doubt anything JVG said would change your mind.
Perhaps, but he whined about the same thing last year and Adelman had to toss in the towel on his offense until Tmac went out and then Rick said....screw it, we are going to run what I know...and the team took off. This is a circular argument.....the sooner you guys realize that I am right about this the better off we will all be. LOL - just kidding. DD
I think it is a difference in philosophy...and it is the main issue between myself and Cabbage. He thinks (and correct me if I am wrong Cab man) that you need a superstar player to win. I think a team full of GOOD players can win, as long as they have defined roles. In this regard: I believe JVG thinks like Cabbage, and Adelman thinks like me. There probably will never be a coming together of the minds.....it is just two ways of attacking the same problem. DD
How many teams have won a championship with a team full of good players compared to teams with superstars? I'll take my chances on a team with a superstar. At a 100% health of course.
I take it you watch more college ball than pro ball. It's very, VERY rare for a team to win a championship without a superstar. I challenge you to name them and i will name the teams that won WITH a superstar.
I think it depends on how your team is built. JVG didn't have as many good players as Adelman has here. The team JVG had role players were nowhere near as good as Adelman's role players. I think you do need a superstar player though. How many teams have won a Championship with no superstars? People will say Detroit but they also had plenty of unselfish All-Star players. I think people get it twisted in terms of saying Detroit had no star players when they won their Championship.
lol Don Quixote tilting windmills again. If we pat him on his head and disingenuously say ok, maybe he'll cease and desist...
Geez, DD! Way to redefine your perimeters. If I wasn't a two-fingered typist, I'd drag up your quotes from this thread doing exactly what cabbage (and myself) are saying you're doing here. You have used the injured McGrady for tossing his career in the ClutchFans dumpster (using some hyperbole, but bear with me). Healthy, the guy is simply amazing. That you wouldn't want him healthy is, pardon me, just nuts. Your two points above I agree with, based on McGrady being less than 100%. Heck, based on him being less than 80-90%. Getting McGrady for what we gave up was a no-brainer. It was a brilliant move. Van Gundy, to this day, has nothing but praise for the guy. I understand you disliking today's Tracy, but not a healthy McGrady, not based on his career.
