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[ESPN Daily Dime] Rockets better without McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by northeastfan, Feb 23, 2009.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You know what is funny?

    He wasn't 100% last year either, in fact, his knee was the same, according to him....

    Just saying...

    ;)

    DD
     
  2. nomad_balla

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    yeah but when he scores high 20's everyone else just watch him. he would kill all the movement
     
  3. t_mac1

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    b/c he's injured and that's why he's hurting the team. you made the claim whether healthy or not, he hurts the team this year. we haven't seen him healthy at all this year for you to make that claim. his knee has been a problem all year long.
     
  4. ibm

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    how's that gonna be a big difference? if he's not playing poorly and hurting the team's overall chemistry, does it matter if that's the first minute of the game or the 10th?
     
  5. thacabbage

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    Wasn't your entire point that he has been to blame for the Rockets' past failures?
     
  6. t_mac1

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    and just sayin', he took quite a few anti-inflammatory injections. and again, just sayin'.
     
  7. badgerfan

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    The question isn't a player's ability to help a team, it's how much he hurts it. My theory is that T-Mac's been awful in terms of poor defense, refusing to play the offense, etc. and that's showing up in the W/L statistics.

    It's not even close. .55 with McGrady and .71 without him.
     
  8. the_hustler

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    great post..
     
  9. ibm

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    i understand.

    the question is not really if a healthy mcgrady can help this team. the question is why he has been able to get healthy - that, remains a myth. and for that reason, any delusional and wishful thinking of him returning THIS YEAR is neither realistic nor helpful to the team.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    No !

    My point was that he is not helping THIS year......and I do not want him back at ANY cost......

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    But my tertiary point was that his STYLE of play and attitude is the main reason team's led by him have failed to advance in the playoffs.

    DD
     
  11. JayRow

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    Some statistical analysis for y'all...

    2007-2008:
    T. McGrady: 21 PPG/5 REB/6 APG
    Battier: 9 PPG/5 REB

    2008-2009:
    Artest (without McGrady): 21 PPG/5REB/4AST
    Battier: 7 PPG/ 5 REB

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    I have about 10000 thoughts going through my head, but I'm going to try to put them in words. Basically, looking at the numbers, statistically replacing T-Mac with Artest does not hurt us. Remember, last year, we were supposed to be contenders. Well, don't lose faith, people! We have the same squad we did going into last year, when John Hollinger amongst others picked us to win it all, except we are replacing McGrady with Artest and of course adding our newly acquired depth.

    Add Yao into the equation, too.

    What I'm trying to say is that the sky is not falling. It is very possible we can still be contenders without T-Mac, nonetheless better without him.

    Now if we can get this chemistry thing rolling...
     
  12. durvasa

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    Again, if McGrady is healthy all year, I think we're a better team for it. I'm positive the Rockets would as well.

    [rquoter]
    J,

    If the Rockets continue clicking and TM suddenly decides he is healthy, do you think the Rockets would consider putting him back in the rotation?

    SRV

    (Yes. -- Jonathan)

    [/rquoter]
     
  13. t_mac1

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    he should have just sat out after the initial 2 weeks off. his knee never improved one bit. if you put an injured player out on the floor for extended minutes, it's going to hurt any team every time 100% of the time.
     
  14. the_hustler

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    I think everyone pretty much agrees that T-Mac has hurt the team BADLY this season..

    but the point here is lots of people seem to squarely blame to T-Mac for the our team's failure in the past few years.. and that is insane..

    and the same people say they don't dwell in the past.. and at the same time they also say that T-Mac is 0-7 in the playoffs and he would hurt the team even if he comes back 100% healthy. ;)
     
  15. t_mac1

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    now you're blaming him for the playoff failures? regardless of how you judge him, he's been our best playoff performer, BY FAR.
     
  16. tsunami

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    are you blind or what? It's not just 4 games. We play better and the ball movement is much better without TMAC in this season - not just 4 games damn it.
     
  17. motionsiknes

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    I really like this...

    It's really sad now that Tmac is being blamed for everything. He doesn't deserve it all of it.
     
  18. IamKhan

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    We lost a lot games at the start of the season to learn the new system (with both Yao and TMac). Actually, it's after TMac sat out, Yao led the whole team to play Coach A's system. It set the foundation of the 22 wins.

     
  19. DaDakota

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    Well when you are the only one with the ball in your hands and taking most of the shots, your stats are going to look better now aren't they.

    If you actually look at percentages and efficiency you will see the fallacy of that side of the equation.

    DD
     
  20. JayRow

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    Haven't seen this posted, and I'm a rookie, so it'll go here.

    Per New Power Rankings:
    "If you subscribe to the theory that Yao and Co. will be better without a half-speed McGrady yo-yo-ing in and out of the lineup and with Alston exiled to Orlando, last week was Houston's best week in some time."

    Maybe Yao and Co. is what this team needs. Not T-Mac standing around chucking up jump shots. I believe Yao has the potential to dominate any NBA game if he gets the touches. Or, at the least, command a double team and help his team greatly.

    We don't need T-Mac, fellas.
     

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