[ESPN.com] Call Tracy McGrady amazing, but don't call him MVP

Tracy has a solid chance to claim the MVP with a good stretch of play to end the season.

He isn't the MVP right now, but he's in the discussion.

 

In my opinion. I really don't mind who gets MVP. I really don't think Kobe and Lebron deserve it. But believe it or not, I actually give it to CP3 or T-Mac. But I don't see how Garnett deserves it either. In fact, if Garnett did not have that much passion, I don't think MVP goes to him.

In my opinion. It is already evident that Kobe and Lebron can put up big numbers, but their team will lose. Yes, Kobe can drop 40 points on a player, but against really good defensive teams like us, he is shut down. His answer to the problem? Play the whole 48 mins and make 33% of his shots. This one game is enough to show that he doesn't make his teammates better, he will only give them a win. Chemistry remains horrible. Undeserving MVP.

Lebron? Hell no. In fact, I hate him the most in the entire nba league, even more than kobe. He is so overrated, that I have no idea what happens if the west were weaker. I mean, look at him. Yeah, he puts up big numbers as well, very big numbers. Ye he drops assists and rebounds and points. Ye he plays big minutes. SO WHAT? THEY LOST TO THE WIZARDS. The cavaliers have been horrible. Their new and old line up is more than enough for them to get a record at least as good as the west's ninth seed.

Why do I hate him so much? This guy has more help from everyone else than T-mac ever had in his orlando days, and people are already saying he outperformed t-mac? Hello? The east was once very strong. Give t-mac illgauskaus, eric snow, larry hughes. I can bet my life t-mac can go deep in the playoffs.

Now the new lineup. Ben Wallace and Illgauskaus. 2 Strong abled big man. Still no sign of goodness? Well to be honest, I go for the old line up. But I wonder who thought it would be a good idea to make a big trade like this? Lebron maybe?

 

My Top 5 List

1) The King - w/o him, the Cavs would be the most garbage team ever, not to mention he is insanely good.

2) The Big Ticket - w/o him, the C's are decent, but definitely not the #1 team in the league.

3) CP3 - He's like AI, Steve Nash, and John Stockton all rolled into one spicy Cajun burrito.

4) Kobe - Perennial MVP candidate who is insanely good, but yeah, the Rockets straight up handled this guy... if the Lakers would have won Sunday, he may have been a little higher on this list.

5) TRAAACCCCCCCY MCGRRRRRRAAAAAAADDDDDY!!!!!!! TMAC - what can you say about him... he is a basketball god, if the Rockets beat the Celtics tonight behind Tmac's performance, I say he is the MVP.


The season isn't over yet but thats my 3/4 season list... This game tonight is the defining game of the Rockets though, even more so than the Lakers.

 

MVP = Most Valuable Player to their team.

Do we win 22 straight if we traded T-Mac? No.

If T-Mac gets hurt during the streak, does it continue? Slim chance.

MVP? Yes

End discussion.

 

Big shot in the dark here......but I'm guessing you're a Tmac fan.....

 

they always change the rules when it comes to t-mac. when he was in orlando putting up absolutely great numbers on a similarly mediocre +.500 range team as lebron he couldn't get mvp because of that. now that his team has the best record in the west, but his numbers aren't as eye popping we're told that lebron deserves it. t-mac's numbers are fine for an mvp if we end up with the best record in the west, but it's the length of time on the court that troubles me.

chris paul is the only one deserving. his team has a great record and he's key to that. also, he played in pretty much all of their games and has amazing numbers as well. when the lakers can do something without their big man (first it was bynum, now it's pau) then kobe can be considered. it's easy to win when you have major pieces. an mvp should be able to pull his team out of the fire when injuries pop up. vote paul.

 

Funny thing is that none of these guys do what they've done w/out TMAC. THey get open looks b/c TMac demands the double team. They get open looks b/c of TMacs freakish court vision.

Yes ...we are witnessing champioship calibur play because of champioship calibur defensive tenacity, hustle, and chemistry. But the one that sets all that up is TMac. You take him out of the formula and you have an average team.

The Holiger PER is not always the sole measure of a players effectiveness. Sometimes you just have to go back to the old fashioned watching a game and evaluate based on what you see. What I see is MVP.

 

Hate is such a strong word. Dislike should suffice.

With our style of play we can only win if we move the ball, find the open man and make decisions on the run. The only player that could replace Tracy and do that better is Lebron. Even without Bynum and Pau the lakers had better individual players than us. Kobe is the best player in the league but he just kept chucking away and a feeble percentage.

Most of the time tmac only takes jumpers to keep the defense honest. Its a smart plan that tricks the defense into staying with you even though on most ocasions you have no intention of shooting. The warriors and suns do this as a team to open up the floor. It works the same way for the rockets, tmac takes a wild jumper and on the next posession his man gets into him and the somehow Scola is open for a layup.

 

Define the criteria for MVP and then we can talk. Otherwise it's just your opinion pitted against mine.

And you know what they say about opinions.

 

If the rockets get the no.1 seed by the end of regular season and pass the 1st round, Tmac may have a good chance for MVP.

BTW, in that situation, Battier also has a good chance for DPOY, and Adelman has a good chance for COY as well.

 

passing the first round has nothing to do with it. the voting is done before the playoffs start. dirk wouldn't have won it last season otherwise.

 

Actually, those are awarded after the 1st round (time), although they are regular season awards. Tmac never passed the 1st round before, but if he can do it this year, he will get serious consideration.

Last year, about Dirk, I remember, there was a debate. But, finally, they gave it to him because of their remarkable regular season performace. In fact, I think it is also because of their great performance the year before last year (they went to the finals). I remember Dirk himself also said that if the mvp was awarded for 2005-2006 season, he would be more happy.

 

They announce it after the 1st round but it is by definition a regular season award. Playoffs should have no baring on who wins, Dirk should be a huge example of this.

 

You guys don't have confidence in that Tmac can pass the 1st round this season?!

But, I do have confidence in him and the rockets! 22 wins in a row mean metality, and it is what the team needs in playoffs!

 

T-Mac isn't anywhere in the top five for MVP. He's been playing well for Houston but the team had won many games without him and with his bad shooting night. I wouldn't consider a player to be MVP who almost shoot your team right out of the game at the beginning on many occasion.

 

Best player on best team seems like a pretty good place to start. Sadly, if Yao was still playing, he could legitimately be your MVP for this season. Yao isn't, and the Rockets are still winning.

Understandably, this Rockets team is more about team than individual. But you can't have it both ways. It can't be the worst best win streak team ever (meaning not a lot of talent) yet somehow discount the one true superstars performance in taking you to 22 wins. Either the supporting cast sucks, or it's good. For the better part of 66 games, apparently the Rockets supporting cast, according to most national media outlets, has been mediocre at best. So T-Mac is pretty valuable then, right?

If the Rockets finish with a top seed, and especially if they finish with the top seed, I don't see how Tracy finishes any less than 3rd in the voting.

If I had to vote today, I'd vote:
1. Chris Paul (as good as he is, its easy to forget he's leading the league in steals, too)
2. Lebron James (yes, I know he's in the East, and can sometimes be a ball-stopper, but he generally does more with less than anyone else in the league. Frankly, if you switched Chris Paul and Lebron, I see the Cavs getting worse and the Hornets staying around where they are).
3. Tracy
4. Kobe

 

WTH are you talking about? It's not just the 22 in a row, but we won 4 of 5 before that once Tracy came back. Basically, we're 26-1 since he came back from injury. That's insane. That also means we were 20-19 before he came back. We were 12-12 earlier in the season with him. So with Tracy this year we are 38-13 (.745), without him, we're 8-7 (.533). Even acknowledging that Tracy played bad at the beginning of the year, that the team finally learned how to win without Tracy, and that statistically this is still one of his worst seasons in a while, it's impossible to ignore the win loss numbers.

 

I say if we get the number one seed Mac should get the MVP, they gave it to Dirt last year for being the best player on the best team.

 

that 13 losses include 4 games where he had to leave 9-10 minutes into a game b/c of injuries. he played 4-5 games where he truly looked injured (yet people still questioned him despite him limping and laboring to run down the floor). if he was truly healthy even when we were struggling earlier on, he carried us quite a bit. so that 38-13 record could even be BETTER.

but who cares, tmac doesn't want the MVP. he wants TEAM SUCCESS. he wants houston to have success. tmac and the rockets are like made for each other. he hasn't advanced in 10 years. houston hasn't advanced in 10 years. hopefully both will break the trend this year.

 

you're confusing when they announce the winner with when the voting is actually done. the winner is announced in the 2nd round yes, but the voting takes place before the playoffs start. it's like how the heisman voting is done before the bowl games.