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ESPN: Chandler and possibly Malik Allen for P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith (In the Works)

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  1. emjohn

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    He'll be a block/rebound guy used to kick off the break, not a scorer. Same with Armstrong and Simmons. They're looking to run behind Paul and Mason, and Peja gives them outside shooting. I would think they're angling to play Suns ball.

    It'll be interesting to see how J.R. "Rider Jr" Smith and Skiles get along. Only way that works is if Smith is in "I'll show them" mode and plays the good boy for a while a la Artest and Bonzi.

    Evan
     
  2. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Eh, if the Bulls dont want JR Smith down the road they can just ship him to San Antonio for Brent Barry.
     
  3. Baqui99

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    So basically Chicago traded Elton Brand for an expiring contract and JR Smith. OWNED.
     
  4. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    They are probably not feeling too owned right about now. They passed their "ownship" over to the Knicks.
     
  5. TBar

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    The Bulls are loading up and looking good. I wish we had their GM
     
  6. Icehouse

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    Reported on ESPN...done deal

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2510218

    Bulls to deal Chandler to Hornets for Brown, SmithBy Marc Stein
    ESPN.com


    The Chicago Bulls and New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets on Wednesday reached a verbal agreement on the widely expected trade that will send Bulls center Tyson Chandler to the Hornets for veteran forward P.J. Brown and swingman J.R. Smith.

    NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the players involved have been notified that the deal will officially go through July 12, which is the first day NBA teams can officially complete signings and trades after the league announces the salary cap for the 2006-07 season.

    The ability to deal away Chandler, who has five years and $54 million left on his contract, was crucial for the Bulls in their pursuit of Ben Wallace. They likely couldn't have offered Wallace as much as they did -- nearly $60 million over four years -- without receiving Brown's much friendlier contract in return.

    The willingness to take on Chandler's contract, meanwhile, represents the third bold move from the traditionally quiet Hornets in the space of a week, after years of criticism endured by Hornets owner George Shinn for his reluctance to spend.

    "It's my understanding that the trade is going to happen," said Mark Bartelstein, Brown's agent. "P.J. is very excited. He feels like the Bulls have an opportunity to compete for a championship. He really enjoyed his time with the Hornets, but he has so many fond memories of his days in Miami and contending every year that Chicago is a really good situation for him to get back to."

    New Orleans/Oklahoma City commenced its aggressive summer makeover by offering Peja Stojakovic a five-year deal worth more than $60 million to entice the sharpshooting former All-Star to leave the Indiana Pacers. That was Saturday.

    On Sunday, Shinn followed the Stojakovic coup by sanctioning a three-year commitment worth more than $15 million to Memphis Grizzlies guard Bobby Jackson.

    The venerable Brown, who turns 37 in October, has only one season left on his contract at $8 million. Swapping Brown and the out-of-favor Smith for Chandler means New Orleans/Oklahoma City has committed to well over $120 million in new contracts since free agency began Saturday at 12:01 a.m.

    It adds up to the most unexpected outlay ever seen from Shinn, even more unexpected than the big contracts he awarded Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn in the club's Charlotte days. Those moves were contract extensions. The Hornets have never been known for making offseason splashes such as these.

    Yet this deal holds obvious appeal on both sides.

    Hornets coach Byron Scott, himself the recipient of a three-year contract extension just before the draft, wants to play an up-tempo game and will inevitably see the more athletic Chandler, at 7-foot-1 and turning 24 in October, as a better fit than Brown alongside Rookie of the Year point guard Chris Paul, Stojakovic and power forward David West.

    The trade makes even more sense for the Bulls. They don't want to play two non-scorers together (Chandler and Wallace) and moving out Chandler's expensive contract for Brown's expiring deal makes it much easier to absorb Wallace's deal.

    Brown, furthermore, is regarded as one of the best locker-room influences in the league and, along with Wallace, would provide legitimate size ... as well as the veteran know-how lacking in Chicago since the breakup of Michael Jordan's Bulls after their sixth and final championship in 1998.

    Smith has at least three players ahead of him in Chicago's swing rotation -- Andres Nocioni, Ben Gordon and Luol Deng -- but the 20-year-old has attracted significant trade interest since falling out of Scott's rotation halfway through the season. Smith, then, figures to be a valuable trade chip for the Bulls if he can't crack coach Scott Skiles' rotation, although league rules would preclude Chicago from dealing him until 90 days after this trade is officially consummated.

    Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.
     
  7. opticon

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    Im glad that the bulls are picking up jr smith they have so many good swing player and so much salary we might be able to offer up one of our trade exceptions for one of there low pirced swing men.
     
  8. KellyDwyer

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    Smith can be had for a song.

    For years, I wanted PJ Brown and Eric Williams to find themselves on a great team more than any other player. Now Williams is on the Spurs and PJ is on my favorite team.

    Still, I wouldn't get too hopped-on cap space for the Bulls next year. They will still have Nocioni, Hinrich, and (hopefully) Sweetney to extend. They also have another semi-big rookie deal (if the Knicks stink again) to deal with next June too. Remember, Dan Rosenbaum predicted the cap would go down for 06-07, so it may be even lower in 07-08.
     
  9. TMACFORMVP

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    Damn the Hornets are going to be crazy. The whole Sothwest division might make the playoffs.
     
  10. RocketInfoMan

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    Bulls to deal Chandler to Hornets for Brown, Smith

    The Chicago Bulls and New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets on Wednesday reached a verbal agreement on the widely expected trade that will send Bulls center Tyson Chandler to the Hornets for veteran forward P.J. Brown and swingman J.R. Smith.

    Tyson Chandler
    Center
    Chicago Bulls

    Profile
    2006 SEASON STATISTICS
    GM PPG RPG APG FG% FT%
    79 5.3 9.0 1.0 .565 .503

    NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the players involved have been notified that the deal will officially go through July 12, which is the first day NBA teams can officially complete signings and trades after the league announces the salary cap for the 2006-07 season.

    The ability to deal away Chandler, who has five years and $54 million left on his contract, was crucial for the Bulls in their pursuit of Ben Wallace. They likely couldn't have offered Wallace as much as they did -- nearly $60 million over four years -- without receiving Brown's much friendlier contract in return.

    The willingness to take on Chandler's contract, meanwhile, represents the third bold move from the traditionally quiet Hornets in the space of a week, after years of criticism endured by Hornets owner George Shinn for his reluctance to spend.

    "It's my understanding that the trade is going to happen," said Mark Bartelstein, Brown's agent. "P.J. is very excited. He feels like the Bulls have an opportunity to compete for a championship. He really enjoyed his time with the Hornets, but he has so many fond memories of his days in Miami and contending every year that Chicago is a really good situation for him to get back to."

    New Orleans/Oklahoma City commenced its aggressive summer makeover by offering Peja Stojakovic a five-year deal worth more than $60 million to entice the sharpshooting former All-Star to leave the Indiana Pacers. That was Saturday.

    On Sunday, Shinn followed the Stojakovic coup by sanctioning a three-year commitment worth more than $15 million to Memphis Grizzlies guard Bobby Jackson.

    The venerable Brown, who turns 37 in October, has only one season left on his contract at $8 million. Swapping Brown and the out-of-favor Smith for Chandler means New Orleans/Oklahoma City has committed to well over $120 million in new contracts since free agency began Saturday at 12:01 a.m.

    J.R. Smith
    Smith
    P.J. Brown
    Brown

    It adds up to the most unexpected outlay ever seen from Shinn, even more unexpected than the big contracts he awarded Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn in the club's Charlotte days. Those moves were contract extensions. The Hornets have never been known for making offseason splashes such as these.

    Yet this deal holds obvious appeal on both sides.

    Hornets coach Byron Scott, himself the recipient of a three-year contract extension just before the draft, wants to play an up-tempo game and will inevitably see the more athletic Chandler, at 7-foot-1 and turning 24 in October, as a better fit than Brown alongside Rookie of the Year point guard Chris Paul, Stojakovic and power forward David West.

    The trade makes even more sense for the Bulls. They don't want to play two non-scorers together (Chandler and Wallace) and moving out Chandler's expensive contract for Brown's expiring deal makes it much easier to absorb Wallace's deal.

    Brown, furthermore, is regarded as one of the best locker-room influences in the league and, along with Wallace, would provide legitimate size ... as well as the veteran know-how lacking in Chicago since the breakup of Michael Jordan's Bulls after their sixth and final championship in 1998.

    Smith has at least three players ahead of him in Chicago's swing rotation -- Andres Nocioni, Ben Gordon and Luol Deng -- but the 20-year-old has attracted significant trade interest since falling out of Scott's rotation halfway through the season. Smith, then, figures to be a valuable trade chip for the Bulls if he can't crack coach Scott Skiles' rotation, although league restrictions on trades would make it difficult for Chicago to move him until 60 days after this trade is officially consummated.
     
  11. TMACFORMVP

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    Damn the Hornets are going to be good

    PG-Paul-Jackson
    SG-Mason-Snyder
    SF-Stojackovich-Butler
    PF-West-Simmons
    C-Chandler-Armstrong
     
  12. uchlha

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    i thought mason was a sf-pf? he can play sg? mmm
     
  13. MasterIce

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    Wrong forum...belongs in NBA Dish
     
  14. Sherlock

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    Crap!

    We should have been in on the bidding, and done what it took to get Chandler and Duhon. This was an unusual opportunity that IMHO many will look back on as a missed opportunity, just like when Wallace was traded to Detroit, when we could have picked up TMac from Toronto, when we could have sent Sampson to Portland for Clyde and Mike ... ok, well, maybe not that bad ... but, still ...

    One stupid move or non-move after another this off-season.
     
    #34 Sherlock, Jul 5, 2006
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    Well with this news i'm officially done talking up J.R. Smith. I'm sure the entire forum was getting sick of it anyways...... ;)

    On a more serious note: New Orleans, one of these teams everybody just assumes the Rockets are better than when healthy, will be a very tough and promising foe.
     
  16. TMACFORMVP

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    Yeah Mason is a SF but he's 6"5 so I guess he play the 2.
     
  17. rocketteen

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    I would have liked to have gotten PJ Brown. I know he's older, but he does what Juwon does, only better. Maybe down the road, we could use our trade exception to get PJ.
     
  18. Laozi

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    Looks like NO/OK is a long way from the Chris Anderson days :p
     
  19. A_3PO

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    I'm not sold on the 06/07 Hornets yet. The lineup looks OK but Peja is still an injury-prone weakfish who disappears at the worst times and Chandler just isn't very good. The Bulls basically got sick and tired of him not improving, which is why they signed Ben Wallace.

    IMO, the Bulls won this trade easily. They get a great guy and good player in P.J. Brown who has one year left plus a low cost SG in J.R. Smith and they get to dump one of the most overpaid players in the NBA. Maybe this summer Chandler will actually gain a few pounds and develop at least the pretense of offense. I doubt it.
     
  20. steddinotayto

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    Hornets could be dangerous. Like crazy dangerous.

    Byron Scott's NJ Nets team that went to the Finals:

    Center: Todd MacCulloch
    Power Foward: Kenyon Martin
    Small Foward: Richard Jefferson
    Shooting Guard: Kerry Kittles
    Point Guard: Jason Kidd

    Byron Scott's 2006-2007 Hornets team:

    Center: Tyson Chandler
    Power Forward: David West
    Small Forward: Peja Stojakovic
    Shooting Guard: Desmond Mason
    Point Guard: Chris Paul

    I think it's a pretty solid lineup on paper. Tack on the Princeton offense that Scott love to use, it's a pretty well built team. Not saying Paul is the equal of Kidd's MVP years, but the teams are pretty darn close. I think they're gonna be one of my favorite teams to watch.
     

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