[ESPN] Casserly confirms Young out of the picture.

I'm trying to figure out what bias you're talking about. A pro-moderator bias?

 

Fegwu, seriously, this is a dictatorship, NOT a democracy. Castor does a tremendous job for FREE, so cut him some friggin' slack.

As for the soft comment...

 

I'm also trying to figure out what herd I belong to...

 

Well I am leaning the other way. The vitriol, the lies, the hate towards Vince Young (everything from his non-football IQ, dance, speech, mannerism, and digs at his two sport reigning national champion university) has made it hard for me to get behind the Texans now. It is pretty obvious the hate for the Longhorns and VY is even stronger than many of the “man crushes” for VY, VY must have dashed a lot of folks hopes in this course of his athletic career and folks were grasping at any straws to try to belittle the man, and that is disgusting IMO.

Living in the West Coast media area and with ESPN game plan I watched both Reggie Bush and Vince Young play a lot for 2 years. Not just highlights but whole games, and looking for relentless pressure they put on opponents and the degree opponents were able to adjust to them. There was no contest as a college player as to who were more dominant and more special, and it was obvious in Pasadena, the Heisman/espn/abc hype was not just wrong but embarrassingly wrong about who was the superior player. I think people are still mistaken because of the hype they heard about Bush for 2+ years, which is hard for me to fathom after they got a chance to see both players at the same time and one was a class above both recent Heisman winners, but I guess illusions die hard. Not that Bush isn't a special athlete or doesn’t make spectacular open field plays, but as an every down impact football player VY potential is much, much greater. Perhaps his risk for completely failing is greater for VY because of the nature of his position at that has some teams scared (but these are also the most inept franchises to start with), but it is also THE most important position to get right on your football team. I see teams overlooking Young very much like the teams who overlooked McNabb and McNair (type of college offense they ran, Wonderlic score—which has been shown to be statistically useless in predicting football potential for a QB or any other player), and they are very sorry they did to the benefit to a franchise with greater vision (e.g., see Titans, Eagles—who both were very successful and made lots of other great moves as well to lead them to the elite of their conference). Young could potentially be better than either as well and comes in more prepared to make the transition to a NFL QB.

Personally, I left Houston before the Texans existed, but I'd like to rout for them, I have family there (and gifted gear) and rout for Houston teams still, but I'll have no more than causal interest now. For the sake of you and others who participated respectfully and rationally in this debate I certainly won’t rub it in when your expectations (in all probability) are not met. So in short, I think the Texans are making the wrong football decision even if they think it is low risk (one question is why a 2 win team would worry so much about risk, but oh well). It is kind of the same thing as with the Heisman, a little overestimation of Reggie Bush the football player and a little underestimation of Vince Young the football player. Not they were not great players, not that they are not great prospects, but the throwing-running-scrambling-leader QB puts his stamp on a game so much more than the fleet RB who is spectacular in the open field. The fact VY is a local guy and Texas hero just kinda makes the whole thing stink worse—you would think the Texans brass would know better than to make the media/pundit mistakes again. The Texans won’t be on my TV every week anyway, but I do feel for others who also see it as the wrong football franchise decision and are VY fans to boot. I’d be really pissed too and be willing to bring it up down the line.

 

I'll be rooting for our team. But I am going to aggravated as all get out when VY stomps us out of the playoffs and goes on to win the Super Bowl.

You can see it coming miles away.

 

You act like it is a fact that VY is better than Reggie Bush. This has yet to be determined, we will see in the next few years. Also, the hate towards VY has nothing to do with the Texans, it is not their fault some fans went overboard.

 

Oh, I am stating my opinion I think VY will be the more impactfull pro player, not close to a fact at all, I admit that. History will tell about that. However as a college player who was superior and more dominant is not really seriously debatable any more than the debate of whether Charles Barkley was superior to Michael Jordan just because Barkley got the MVP over Jordan 1 year.

The hate towards VY was despicable, I agree it is not the Texans organizations fault, but certainly didn't show many of there fans very well. Like I said I'll still rout for the Texans more often than not, but it will be of causal interest. I was looking for a reason to get behind them as a non Houstonion now, didn't get and honestly do think they will continue to suck and they are making poor decisions (Carr big extension, passing on VY, 25+ mil guar. to Bush really tying up their money with Carr).

 

How did democracy or dictatorship come into this?

My advice...if you don't not have anything worthwhile to add [like in most cases] don't waste our time. Your posts carry no weight and are always bland so I will endeavor to ignore you and your poor judgements. How you can contribute such a shallow and baseless post though baffling is not a surprise for a lightweight of your calibre

Burk, you belong to the herd of "If-does-not-affect-me-I-could-careless". Castor [a moderator] suggested that pgabriel should quit the forum for one reason reason or the other and elders like you failed to call him to order.

I hate to draw another parallel to that because the shallow minded ones amongst us will start using words like democracy, UN and other non-relivant terms.

My point is if you see something that is out of place even if it affects someone you like or affiliated with, speak up! How is Castor's calling Pgabriel to quit different from mine? The smiley? And we fool ourselves if we think this is just a "sports forum" - only and unassuming mind will utter that.

 

I don't know which one is better, but I do know that Vince Young will likely be starting games and performing well when Reggie Bush is retired. And that really kinda sucks since we won't have him.

Running backs don't have very long careers.

 

Keep going Fegwu, this is good stuff. Either you are a real jackass or you are trying to get yourself banned. I haven't figured out which one.

 

It really is a sports forum, not the Supreme Court. Relax, it's going to be o.k.

 

Yes, the Rockets are in the lottery.

But don't despair, the Astros are the best team in baseball.

Fish oil anyone?

 

Where did that tirade from Fegwu comfe from? Is it something that spilled over from the big thread up top?

 

Fegwu is melting down. LOL. This is great.

At least he took all the UT stuff in burnt orange letters out of his signature so that it doesn't look so obvious.

 

No, actually it didn't. At the beginning of page 6 he said "I rest for now." Then he immediately went into psycho-mode. Maybe it's kind of like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? Tomorrow normal-Fegwu will log on and be shocked at everything he wrote with no recollection of having written it.

 

maybe he's drunk? He's usually a level headed poster.

 

I'm voting for option 3: Fegwu didn't log out at computer lab, or option 4: Fegwu ran out of lithium.

I don't remember him ever acting the fool like this before.

 

Behold! I am a prophet from the future! Here's a photo I took of Houston after the Texans passed on Vince Young:



Seriously now. Both sides need a major timeout.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. I will add the caveat that I am a born and bred uber-proud Houstonian, a sports nut, a football fan in the truest sense of the word, and enjoy the priviledge of working closely with all of the Houston teams...and yet I have not found the urge to have more than a passing interest in the Texans. I want to..Oh man do I want to...but I don't. I tried for the first few years...going through the motions and yelling at the right times and getting excited or upset when it seemed appropriate...but in hindsight I can see that it was efforted and not authentic. I bought into the Reggie Hype before VY decided to come out. I didn't think of him as a Texans prospect, just another dude that would be playing ball on Sundays. I remember the Reggie-Bowl bewtween the hometown 11 and the 49ers. I was excited about the prospect of Bush coming to Houston. But imagine if Vince had spent the whole season letting it known that he would be exiting for the draft. The hype machine for Vince going from Texas to Texans would have been stout. David would not have been given the anti-Harrington treatment with the bonus and extension. It would've been a forgone conclusion that The Texans would be taking Vince. They sucked ass, their quarterback sucked and lost his composure a couple times. And the hometown hero was sitting there planning on coming out. All the While ESPN is still going Rich Lord on Reggie AND playing up the Texans/VY Angle.

Then the Rose Bowl ended and everything changed. The next night on Leno VY said he would talk it over with his pastor and family. The next week he declared himself eligible. But the Texans had already made their bed.

So I am left with a still passing interest in The Texans. But I am ecstatic to watch that kid play ball on Sundays and whereever he goes, Titans, Raiders, hell even the Cowboys, that will be my team. And let's not start with the histrionics about "you're not a real Texans fan then" because I never claimed to be. They haven't earned it yet.

 

but they would have "earned" it just in a span of 5 seconds on draft day by taking VY?