[ESPN] Bush turned pro after assurance of No. 1 pick

Some of the pro-young posters are doing the same thing so don't forget them.

 

^ Very true, but not as much in my opinion.

 

The coach thing is BS, we know who the next coach is.

 

That doesn't change the fact that Kubiak is worried about other things right now rather than starting the evaluation process of the Texans. He's got a little thing called the AFC Championship game to worry about.

 

He didn't say he didn't know who the coach will be, he just said he hasn't hired him yet. After the hiring, Kubiak and crew will do full evaluations.

And like RM95 said, Kubiak I'm sure has a lot of other things he needs to take care of.

 

By typical, do you mean calling your bullsh-t on stuff you can't back up?

Name one NFL team scout whose board you've seen.

Name one.

I dare you.

 

Not sure what it means if anything, but bodog.com has a bet on it where you can bet on who the first QB taken in the draft will be.

They have Leinart at -170 and VY at +130.

I think some of you guys might be interested in that +130.

 

Ah yes, futures markets, Texas, and USC....something about this is very familiar....I can't place it....

 

Exactly ... I bet on Texas to win the NC and made some good money on that. This is another good opportunity if you're pretty confident that Young is going to go first.

 

This makes no sense. If they think Bush is way better than the rest and they for sure want him (think he is a better Barry Sanders) they have no reason to "run up" his trade because they will just take Bush.

The 1st part could make sense. If the Texans are locked into Bush the only reason for McNair to say what he did is to save face with VY supporters, that at least that they evaluated him before sticking with Bush.

I think this is correct mostly. One it makes almost no sense for the Texans to "committ" to any player without evaluating them in person--VY, Bush, anyone. All they can say to any player/agent is they are leaning one way or other. The Texans have the 1st pick, they are in command, no need to committ in any form at this point.

Second, it makes even less sense for Bush or USC. Bush would take a monumental risk returning to SC without 3/5 of his OL, TE, and QB. If you thought Texas stacked the line, next year all sites would be on him with few safety valves. Huge injury risk and risk for a less impressive individual year because he has worse teammates, all the while the Heisman goes to someone like Brady Quinn. Much bigger risk than VY coming back this year or ML last year, and ML lost a lot of money and no National Championship just to get a free ballroom dancing class. There was NO WAY Reggie Bush was not turning pro. No way at all. Again it just doesn't make sense, to go back to school and risk all that because you might be in better position to go overall #1 next year when you are assured of going overall #1, #2 or #3, utterly ridiculus.

Further, I can see Carroll making a curtesey call for Reggie Bush, but I am sure he isn't trying to kick him out the door and really doesn't concern himself with ex-players draft position or contracts. Like he would push Bush out by saying yes please leave the Texans will take you #1. Not Carroll's place at all.

It wasn't just UT fans, basically everyone who saw the National Championship with a semi opened minded had to amazed by the best player on the field. ESPN guys, even Ronnie Lott (from SC), all pretty much saying VY was the best player they have seen in a long time and anyone would be a fool to pass him up with the #1 pick.

Basically the causal fan who saw mainly highlights of players thought Reggie Bush was the better football player--it lead to the Heisman, the Sayers comparisons, and the assumption Bush would go #1--which the Texans have. The causal fan was so far off on who was the better player it was ridiculus once they played on the same field, and now this (under the radar) player came out when it wasn't expected. Lots of assumptions overturned.

The Texans should explore all options. They should run all the relevant tests on Bush, VY, Leinart and others in the top 6 in person (Ferganson, Hawk, M. Williams). Once they have their man, they should determine the least cost possible to attain them (can the trade down and get him). VY has already risen to top 4 on every board when he was nowhere 1 week ago. Given no players have been evaluated like pro teams will do in person or in the combine--there is no way anyone should be overconfident right now, and the Texans should of course not committ to a course of action.

My personal option is the only way VY will not go #1 is if he has a sub-par arm and sub-par Wonderlic for a QB, or if Bush runs a 4.25 and other unseen tests results--but you are darn right the Texans are going to look at both of them.

My bet is when it is all said and done the athleticsm, size, accuracy, decision making and leadership wrapped into one VY will turn him into the 1st pick, but got to do all the tests first.

 

Anybody else read Justice's latest blog entry? Apparently, there's somebody in the Texans organization who is leaking all this information (most of it is outdated, as the refutations have been said), and Richie thinks he knows who it is.

Can you imagine what Houston sports would be like if this wasn't going on right now?

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/01/bob_mcnair_need.html

 

Totally ignore the Leinart thing though?

 

I'm not ignoring jack sh-t. In fact, I'm addressing it directly.

YOU said that Leinart is ahead of Young on "scouts boards"

In fact, here is your direct quote.

Now, I'm asking you to prove it. Who are these "most scouts" whose boards you are accessing? Professional team scouts? CFL scouts? Mel Kiper Jr? Cub Scouts? Girl Scouts? Or just random goofs on the internet talking out of their asss such as yourself?

Where/how did you come by this information? Since you don't have an answer, it seems like you just made it up.

I can sit around and make up stupid things all day - did you know pro scouts think IC2000 hates dual threat quarterbacks because he got Herpes from Ron Mexico? - but since I can't prove it - what is the point?

 

We don't know that the Texans think Bush is better then Barry Sanders though. In reality, we don't know anything except what is reported to us. Most reports I have heard have us taking Bush at #1. That doesn't make it a fact. Committing to one player diminishes the picks value (unless a team really wants that particular player). Let's use the Titans for example. If they want Young , know that we are taking bush (, they can make a lesser deal with NO (unless NO is completely sold on Young over Leinart which I don't think is the case) to move up a spot and take Young. However, if they want our #1, they have to pay #1 pick overall premium (look at what Eli got the Chargers) plus extra because the consensus is that the top three picks in this draft could be franchises players. That's what i meant by diminishing the picks value. Typically teams don't announce who they are taking #1 until about a week before the draft when they start negotiating.

I think every one who saw the Rose Bowl game was very impressed by Young. He went from a guy returning for his senior year to work on mechanics to a top 3 pick in the draft. He played arguably one of the best college games ever. Nobody will question that. The consensus I've heard and seen in 2006 mock drafts still has Bush at #1. I don't know where you got that info from ( anyone who passes on Young would be a fool) but Bush is still number 1 on Kiper's board, Mortenson is still reporting Houston taking bush at 1 and if you google "NFL mock draft 2006" you will see 95% of them have Bush at #1 for the Texans. Maybe Lott did say that but that certainly isn't the consensus. The consensus that i have heard is that both are thought to be superstars and whatever team gets them will be happy to have them (however, most feel Bush can make an immediate impact while Young will take a year or two).

I agree that the Texans will evaluate all their positions. One thing they have evaluated heavily recently is Carr. From what we've heard most everyone still thinks highly of him. Bush will dazzle at workouts (we all know that). Young will too. We already know how fast and athletic these guys are. I put no stock in the Wonderlic test at all. Akili Smith and plenty of others have been coached through it and received amazing scores. I have heard that Vince isn't very intelligent. That hasn't shown in the past year but I'm sure many of you have heard the same thing. i'm not saying it's true, I'm saying it's what I've heard. We know what Bush is in that regards. He had a scolarship offer to Stanford and a 3.9 GPA. I think it's a mistake to pass him up. I think VY ends up in Tennessee because he lets it be known (privately if possible) he doesn't want to play in NO (I've already heard that).

 

Me thinks he's hitting up the RealGM boards for his "insider info".

 

IC2000 slept with Michael Vick? So that's where that new car and cell phone came from.

Anyways, I haven't followed you two's argument and I'm just going on this last post. If you look at Kiper's big board Bush is #1. If you listen to Chris mortenson, Bush is #1. If you google "NFL mock draft 2006" Bush is #1 on like 95% of the boards. Some of them are reputable and have real scouts, some are just people making up their own mock drafts but the consensus is Bush is #1 in Mock drafts and what I've heard.

Still can't believe IC2000 landed Vick. Update?

 

Mock drafts, Kiper etc...

Anyways, ignore that if you want.

Since we need a QB apparently, why is nobody considering Leinart?

 

Really...

 

That is my question. Since Carr is so bad and needs to be replaced, then why aren't we looking at Leinart & Young? Why weren't we looking to get Leinart before Young declared? Why are we so sure the saints are taking Leinart and not Young? Are the Saint's scouts that much different from ours and from Tennesee's? If people really thought Carr was this horrible, they would have been calling for Leinart way before Young ever thought about declaring for the draft.

 

I was wondering this myself.

I'm inclined to find out how many people went from Bush to bashing Carr for Young.