[ESPN] Bush turned pro after assurance of No. 1 pick

Why can't I quit you, Vince Young?

 

How many scouts boards have you been reading? I wish I had access to NFL scout boards. I guess there is a secret website or something. Is it scoutboards.com?

 

precisely. i always thought that rudy guy was a total piece of crap.

 

You ain't going fish'n

 

"We don't know who we're going to draft right now" ---McNair

 

In all reality McNair has to say that. I believe ESPN's report that McNair told Pete that. Mortenson has been reporting all along that all his Texans insiders have said if Bush come out then that's who we're taking. The reason McNair has to deny that is because you can discuss a player who hasn't committed and that diminishes the picks trade value signifigantly.


For all the fans who want Young (I would choose him over Leinart but not Bush) look at Drew Brees. Give gim a game breaker and a good TE and you have a Pro Bowl QB. Reeves was pretty glowing in his review of Carr as well. I want people to look at Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Even the top 2 QB's in the league can't do anything if they don't have time to throw the football.

 

If McNair told Carroll that he wasn't going to trade down or draft a qb, he would have been well within the rules.

There are ways to answer a question without breaking the rules.

 

I love it. Mortensen comes out with another claim saying we are drafting Bush no matter what and everyone goes nuts claiming they knew it all along and saying the pro-VY posters are just in denial. Now for the 2nd time in 2 weeks, the Texans have completely shot down these allegations, and all the pro-Bush posters are saying that he's just saying that.

You're right, he should probably say that we don't know who we're picking considering his options, but some of us are choosing and picking which sources we want to listen to. One has always been a "source close to the Texans or Broncos" (whatever that means) and the other came straight from McNair or Casserly's mouth.

I agree that we are back to square one though.

 

I'd be willing to bet money we draft Bush. Do you honestly think McNair wants to hear all this backlash for the next 3 months by announcing we're taking bush? That way, all the pro Young people can talk trash, bash Bush and make him not want to come here. That would be great. McNair is doing exactly what he should be doing, not saying anything. I believe that he promised that to Carroll though. Pete is an upstanding guy and I doubt he would just make something like that up.

 

I'm sure Pete is. But would you mind showing me where Carroll is actually on record making that statement? As of now, it's just "anonymous sources", and there are plenty of other "anonymous sources" that have said in recent days that McNair won't pass up Young or that the Texans are leaning to Young. Pete Carroll is generally a class act, but that doesn't really have relevance until there's proof that the sources are accurate.

 

Clayton didn't say the Texans ARE leaning towards Young he said the Texans MAY BE leaning.

It may not seem like a big difference to you but "are" and "may be" are completely different to me.

 

Huge. Especially when in the mid '90s we were debating the difference between "is" and "is".

 

This whole "McNair promised Carroll that Bush would be #1" thing is ridiculous. Everyone KNEW Reggie Bush was coming out... months ago. (Hello? "Bush Bowl"?) Reggie had nothing to gain and everything to lose by staying for his senior year. Do you honestly expect me to believe that if Bush didn't go #1, he would have stayed in school, forgoing millions of dollars and risking injury? Puh-lease. No one's that egotistical or stupid.

 

I thought he was quoted as saying that in a newspaper. I haven't heard anyone (not even anonymous sources" saying we are leaning towards Young. I've heard we will look at him but never that we are leaning towards him. McNair seems pretty committed to Carr if you ask me. What happens if you draft Young and then Carr has a breakout season like Brees. You couldn't get good value for Rivers right now and you don't want to trade a proven QB to play a guy with potential. Bush is the better and safer pick.

I understand there are a ton of UT fans here but if Young went to UCLA and did exactly the same thing you wouldn't feel this way.

 

You mean like Matt Leinart did? The fact is that if Carroll was quoted (and he is standing behind his quote, which I don't know if he is) then I believe that. You have to admit it was very unusual that it took Reggie so long to make an announcement. In fact, it took so long that people starting thinkingh e may stay.

 

It doesn't say the Texans "are" just "may be" leaning.

 

Terrible, ridiculous analogy. Had Leinart come out, he would have gone #1 (with the Heisman and NC). Instead, Leinart chose to stay in school and remain a kid. I see no link at all between the 2 situations.

 

typical way the VY supporters would refute that

 

Since you did not respond to the reference request there is nothing to refute (other than the veracity of your claims).

Now I'm not saying that you haven't seen the scout boards or ratings, but if you cannot back it up don't try to deflect by blaming others for asking.

 

Find me an article where Pete Carroll is quoted saying that. Right now, it's just "USC sources" that told Mortensen. You're right, I don't think Carroll would make something up like that, but that doesn't mean "USC sources" wouldn't.

Not to be nitpicky, but McNair is saying things. Here's what he said, ""Pete Carroll did call me, but he talked to me about Bush and never asked if we were going to take him, and if he had I wouldn't have told him that because we haven't even hired our coach," McNair said Sunday."

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""We don't know who we're going to draft right now," McNair said. "After we hire our coach, the evaluation process will still have a long way to go. We want to pick the player we feel will give us the best chance to win."

Some of pro-Bush posters are so quick to believe "sources close to the Broncos, Texans" and "USC sources," but when McNair comes out and says its not true, ya'll don't want to listen and just say he is lying. I love how some of ya'll are only believing quotes or articles that support your cause but can't seemed to be bothered by quotes from our GM and owner.

I understand that Casserly/McNair wouldn't come out and say who they are going to draft because of possible backlash. But if you really think they've completely made up their minds w/ no head coach in place and w/o letting him evaluate the players himself, then this whole debate is pointless.