ESPN Broussard: Houston has a very good chance at Bosh

Its been a hell of alot more than 2 days. Yes its been 2 days since the start of free agency, but its been literally years that this has been staring them in the face and for all of them its been 6 weeks or more since they played their last game.

Each of them knows (or should have known by now) what is the most important thing to them whether it be locked in money or a chance to play with their dream surrounding cast. Each offer gives them all something a little different but do you actually think they heard that much from the presentations that their own agents hadn't already discussed with them beforehand?

It has not been 2 days. Lets get this show on the road and somebody make a damn decision.

 

I dont think it matter if we get to present to Bosh or not. The point of presenting to him is showinghim the options, as in, playing with another max FA and how a team can be built around them, etc. Houston doesn't need to do that because they only want him and they'll have their core intact even after acquiring him. Maybe lose 1 player fromt he core, but i'd say that's the most. the important thing was just letting bosh and his agent know they are interested and willing to do a S&T, which they have done. They aren't in a position to pursue Bosh, since i think it's apparent we're only an option if his plan a and plan b fall apart. We just have to sit and wait, which isnt so bad, since there's a good chance his other plans will not work out.

Looking at his options (based mostly on Broussard's video, which i think sounds fairly accurate)

The "not gonna happen" group:

Cleveland- Not gonna happen, not a choice.

NY- not gonna happen since he only wants to play with wade/lebron and if not, he'd rather come here. Besides amar'e is already a sho-in there.

clips- can't see that happening either, they got a young core, but not ready to contend now, need some growing up to do and there's been zero talk about them


The "if Wade is in" group:

Miami- I think it's safe to say the holy trinity isnt gonna happen. They're too worried about not having enough money to get role players and now it's about forming a pair and not a trio. I can't see lebron pairing with bosh there and not wade. So bosh will only go here if wade goes here. This likely means Lebron decided to stay in cleveland or join JJ and Amar'e in NY.

chicago- If lebron commits here then so does wade and bosh is left out....so i'd say this only happens if wade commits to chicago, but lebron decides to go to cleveland, NJ, or NY.

The "if lebron is in":

Jersey- only if lebron goes there. I can't see wade choosing anything but chicago or miami, so jersey's only shot is for lebron to commit to them first.

The "if everything else fails"

Houston- So from the previous scenarios, you can say bosh will go to houston if :

-Lebron goes to chicago first (wade will follow him bc chicago prefers lebron/wade combo, leaving bosh out)

-Lebron goes to Miami first (wade will follow first bc it's "his" team/home, leaving bosh out)



so pray Lebron makes the first move and it's either Chicago or Miami...then it'll be almost a sure bet he'll come here...

 

I think the team would be lucky if they could get away with that deal. I'd be thrilled if they didn't have to include Scola or Brooks. But ESPN's saying Toronto isn't interested in any of the sign-and-trade offers it has received, so it looks like they're trying to drive the price up.

 

Nope. It's been 2 days, well 3 now. And tomorrow is a holiday. They can't make a decision far ahead of time when there's still time to make trades that will completely change a team. Just look at houston. At the beginnig of this season, why would he ever want to come here? An injured Yao, busted Tmac, and ron gone? No way were we on his list. Now look how much has changed in the last 4 months. Acquire Kmart and Hill. Draft PP. Yao's coming back well. Brooks showed consistency over the season. Scola showed he can handle pressure/touches. sure he may not play with all these if they're included in a trade, but it's a completely different scenario.

The draft just happened and that could also have changed a lot. Look at the hinrich trade. Movs made lately gave teams the chance to sign two , not one, max FA, which is huge since bosh wants a max teammate. How would he know that would happen? A lot has changed, not to mention he cant know the true intentions of teams until he sits down with them, which just happened.

 

I dont see why that deal plus Patterson is too steep. Thats probably exactly what they want plaus Pattersons youth at powerfoward to replace Bosh. If Morey isnt offering Patterson? Then he isnt really going all in to get Bosh as much as it seems on these boards. They want a young powerforward in return and Hill and Patterson would equal a Bosh Value. Of course to replace Ariza we have Battier and Budinger in his spot already. To replace Hill and Patterson? We have Bosh and Hayes or Jared Jeffries. We can offer a tad more if needed. Its not like Hill, Knicks picks, Patterson, and Ariza is too steep for a Bosh. Its about right and probably exactly what they want.

 

I disagree. As long as LeBron goes to Cleveland and Wade goes to Chicago, I can see Bosh coming to Houston. Why? Bosh wants the max, and Chicago can't give it to him, unless it is through a SnT. Toronto does not like what Chicago is offering (unless Rose or Noah is in the deal). I think this is why you are seeing Chicago trying to talk to Carlos Boozer and David Lee. They can get Wade, and then get either a Boozer or Lee for under the max (probably Boozer). Then, Bosh comes to Houston.

 

I would go so far to say we have a deal done soon if we offer that deal i just stated.

 

I forgot we also keep scola in that trade too. So these asking prices dont seem steep to me.

 

We aren't giving up Patterson though, and Toronto would be asking for too much then. Battier (buy out) + Hill + rights to Llull + Scola or Jeffries + 2 first round draft picks (2011 Knicks pick and our own first round draft pick) for Bosh.

 

Not really if you say Jeffries instead of Scola then thats about right. You keep Scola, Budinger, Brooks, Martin, Yao, Ariza, Lowry, Bosh, and Hayes on your team? What more do you need? Thats about what it takes.

 

if we really want Bosh? Nows not the time to start being greedy like the Knicks. It takes alot to get superstars in this league and it took alot to get Tmac last time and Barkley and Drexler before that.

 

why would Lebron go back to cleveland? Team hasnt changed and won't change much...change is what he wants

Why does Wade go alone to chicago? all these guys wants to pair up in some way...it's not likely at all for all three to end up separate.

In the wade and lee/boozer to chicago scenario you mention, it doesnt leave houston as the only option for Bosh. If we pretend that scenario happens, it pretty much leaves the door wide open for a bosh/lebron partnership in Jersey. that's a much better option for lebron tha to go back to cleveland...they'll both make up for not getting the max by being international superstars, since the owner has pull overseas and he's pitched that to lebron already.

 

I think he's going to feel obligated to stay in Cleveland. It's been my thoughts all along. That video today is a good example. He's going to try and win and Cleveland. Don't act like this isn't popular opinion either. He may leave, but it's looking like he'll stay (the hiring of Byron Scott for example), in my opinion.

Wade goes to Chicago because it's hometown. Yes, these guys wanted to pair up, but ego and money is getting in the way of that. I believe Wade has actually spoken with Boozer, too. You don't think Wade would be happy with a lineup of Rose/Wade/Deng/Boozer/Noah?

It leaves the door wide open for a Bosh/LeBron combo for the Nets, only if LeBron does not go back to the Cavs. And how many times does Bosh have to say that he wants the full max? Bosh doesn't get as many endorsements than the other two. And what better way for Bosh to become an international superstar than pairing up with Yao, and raking in all of those Chinese endorsements?

 

As the free agent negotiation days goes by I think the chances of Bosh coming to Houston is bigger and bigger. Miami will almost have to settle for 2nd-tier free agents since the top tier free agents like Wade and James will scoff at the supporting cast they will be getting. There is no way in any of their minds that 2 or 3 superstars alone can do it. LA needed Derek Fisher firing on all cylinders to win their championship and at the end of the day it is the role players that put the icing on the cake. LeBron has been suffering from the lack of this icing for the past 7 years and he knows without good teammates he can only take them so far.

And we have the single best supporting cast of them all. Bosh should recognise this too.

The next major step will be to convince Toronto to be a very co-operative partner in this. I'd offer up anyone apart from Yao/K-Mart/Ariza and the NY Picks to Toronto to get Bosh. After all our MLE can get us a Travis Outlaw or 2 and we will be fully set.

Get the Rockets ready for Launch!!!!!!!

 

ariza would be a deal breaker for you. I say only yao and Martin and maybe brooks are untouchable. martin is a superstar to me, so we would have three players that will likely complement each other very well. BTW scola is gone if bosh comes, hes a starter, and he shouldnt have to play behind bosh.

 

Despite his defensive flaws, Martin's a definite keeper. I expect him to have a huge season.

 

If Bosh was thinking about Chinese endorsements, he would have chosen Rockets by now.

 

In 2011, we have the option of trading picks with them...doesnt mean that we have their pick and our own. We only have 1 first round pick in 2011...we might move up or stay put, based on the draft positions of the team.

The 2011 pick will not be too attractive to a team like the Raptors, who figure to have a worse record than the Knicks...therefore, they would probably not be interested in us giving them this option.

If we trade any picks, it will be the 2012 Knicks first round pick.

 

Give them something they cant refuse Morey. The Godfather deal. Torontos front office will help us out do the rest and Bosh will oblige because we give him what he wants. Offer up the deal they cant refuse. I am not saying Aaron and Martin but pretty much anything else is up. Patterson, picks, Hill. Whatever player to match salaries excpet Aaron and Martin and then get it done.

 

When I said one of our own, I was meaning from a later deal (I already know about the swap). Didn't think about the second paragraph though. Do agree that the 2012 pick would be the one most likely traded then.

Um...no.