ESPN Broussard: Houston has a very good chance at Bosh

Turkoglo makes over 10 mil. I doubt Miami or Chicago will take him as he kills their ability to sign second max or other role players. Without Wade, these teams are less attractive. I don't even think Houston would take him and the Rockets are the most equipped to handle him as the Rockets would be trading expirings instead of cap space.

Cap space? That isn't an issue as Toronto will be at or near cap for next two years. Rockets have expiring contracts so it isn't a big deal outside of the money to pay them for this season. Rockets have plenty of young guys that they can send to Toronto that are much better than Miami or Chicago's picks.

It is Bosh's decision where to go as all the teams involved could get Bosh from Toronto. I honestly think Miami and Chicago are trying to get both Wade and Bosh, but don't quite have the space to get both and S&T with Toronto. They are trying to sweet talk Bosh into outright signing with them instead of doing a S&T. Just speculation on my part.

 

Chicago doesnt have anything they want. They want Noah and the Bulls wont give him. Deng sucks and has a long contract. He is always injured and hampers their salary cap availability while also giving them more money on the books they have to pay for. They are not giving Bosh a SNT to Chicago for peanuts. Quote me on it. Not gonna happen unless they get some draft picks or maybe Noah. This is a fantasy for Bosh. He wont be joinging Wade but Boozer will there and Chicago wont have to even bother giving up anything to get him but money. Wade is gonna get Bosh in Miami is he is gonna get him and they will be a fringe playoff team of Bosh is coming here for 6 years and winning himself a Championship for 120 million dollars. Unless Toronto does their thing again and detroys their team some more?

 

Short and to the point... It strange agreeing with you so much lol :grin:

 

Until Bosh actually says he wants to come to Houston, we have to concede that the probability of us landing him is pretty small. At this point its a game of chicken b/w toronto and chicago/miami. The fact that we have potentially better S&T options than chicago and miami honestly means squat.

If CB says no way to Houston, then its a question of what is Toronto willing to take versus losing Bosh for nothing.The Miami offer does not have to be better than ours. All it has to be is better than getting nothing back.

With that being said, I still have a feeling Toronoto brass will probably play hardball and are willing to let him go without getting anyting, if the right deal isn't in place.

 

Bosh is just gonna have to accept 30 million dollars less is the only other way i see it to go play with Wade in Chicago.

 

So basically Miami can offer them 1 first pick that would likely be in the low to mid 20s with a team of Bosh and Wade, and Toronto's own pick back which would probably be good. That's not exactly a great sales pitch. We'll give you your own pick which is gonna suck, HAVE FUN! Then the salary exception.

We can offer two first rounders that will probably be in the 10-20 range. A choice between Ariza and Battier (they need a wing defender and they showed interest in Ariza last offseason and really, he's not that overpaid, and Battier's expring) Hill who would be a far better option at C than Bargs, and Budinger. And of course filler. Andersen and non-guarenteed contracts of Harris and Johnson. That's a kings ransom, but one that I would do in a heartbeat. They're given 4 good, young, cheap players. And depending on who they choose between Battier and Ariza, either get an expring or a good young SF.

Morey would try to give up less than that, but if push comes to shove I bet he does it. He can replace Hill

 

Either that or Deng and a meaningless pick to Toronto. Turkoglu and Deng for that many years selling that move to their fans? Ok. Tell me how they sell that as a good move of any kind to their fans? Well good luck. Intersting to be a Toronto fan for the length of those two contracts being the suckiest team in the league. Yeah sounds like a better move than just telling Bosh to walk for free.

 

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And Budinger. He can't really replace Bosh.

No, I don't think Miami's offer is even close to that.

So if Bosh sticks to his guns that he wants that 6th year, which he's shown no reason to suggest that he doesn't, Toronto could say they'll only take the best deal offered or they'll let him walk.

 

Thats sounds like adding more nothing to get rid of something. :grin: Deng and Hedo for the next 5 years! Its good to be a Raptors fan!

 

i agree especially with that part i bolded. we have ABSOLUTELY ZERO CLUE what morey's 6 plans are. hell he may have 20 plans...who knows. one is obviously bosh, but he has always seemed to have many contingency plans that were not reported by the media rumor mill. it makes you wonder if we have some other trade as a backup trade for bosh. kind of like how the knick trade went down after morey called their bluff (for the picks, minimal lotto protection, and hill) and made the deal for martin. maybe morey will end up doing something like that if toronto's demands become unreasonable and maybe they will panic and take what they can get from the rockets.

i dunno....my random speculation is as worthwhile as all these media reports we are getting. it seems like media rumors have very little value with morey other than signaling he is looking to make a move.

i have no clue what morey has up his sleeve, but he always seems like he has an ace or 4 up his sleeve. so let's wait and see and hope everything falls into place.

 

Battier or Ariza
Jeffries
Two of the following
2011 NY/Hou pick
2011 NY Pick
Patterson
Hill
Budinger
Taylor

Just my guess

 

Miami has an offer though. Me you and Bosh and Wadeon the same team. We chuck from the three point line and let Wade and Bosh take us to the Championship with our head bands on and our jerseys stretching over our bellies filling out that roster for the minimum NBA salary. 10 of us plus Bosh and Wade can go all the way!

 

Interesting little tidbit....

wallacesports Heat having backburner S-&-T talks with Utah & Dallas - offering J. O'Neal and/or M. Beasley - targeting Boozer, Haywood

Someone isn't feeling so confident are they???

 

hmm... I we were being used to get what he wants, wouldn't he be talking us up?

It seems more likely (and this happens to be exactly what Morey said would happen in the interview at Yao's resigning) that he (or his agent) is using the media chatter about going without a S&T to push Toronto to give him what he wants in terms of a favorable S&T somewhere that will give him the max salary.

Us not being chatted up is a good thing. He doesn't need to tell the public his plans, after all, his agent just needs to be talking on the phone with GM's.

 

*If we were

 

If I had to guess, the "salary" part of the deal may look like this:

Trevor Ariza ($6.32M)
Jordan Hill ($2.67M)
David Andersen ($2.5M "expiring" - only $185k guaranteed in 2011-12)
Alexander Johnson ($885k non-guaranteed contract)
Mike Harris ($854k non-guaranteed contract)

That just barely gets the Rockets to the minimum ~$13.2M necessary to match Bosh's new maximum salary.

Of course, I imagine that one or more draft picks will be included, although I hope that the 2011 pick swap is not one of them (but it very well might be). Word is that Colangelo is in love with Sergio Llull, so his draft rights might be included, as well. Plus, Les may be throwing in as much as $3M in cash. My guess is that he includes at least enough to mostly/fully cover Andersen's salary.

At the end of the day, I bet from a financial standpoint, the Raptors end up with Ariza and Hill as the only salary commitments they'd actually have to pay for. Again, I think Les may cover Andersen's salary via a cash offset; and the Raptors can waive Johnson and Harris and pay them nothing.

But if Toronto can come away with Ariza, Hill, Llull's rights and two first rounders, that would probably be substantially better than any other team (remotedly on Bosh's wish list) could offer.

Also, IF this particular trade happens, people better lay the #%$#% off of Les Alexander. This would be a SIZABLE financial commitment and (after adding Scola's and Lowry's new salaries to the bottom line) will likely thrust the Rockets into the top 5 or 6 teams in the league as far as total team salary goes. That includes a bunch of luxury tax.

 

I'm just curious, outside of Houston and the main players (Chicago, Miami, Cleveland, NYK, NYN, etc) what are the chances that one of the other teams that have SnT assets will get one of these free agents, namely Bosh? Why couldn't Bosh go to another team that would become a contender after adding him? He would be an upgrade at PF for a team almost anywhere he went... We haven't heard anything about them being in contention to get Bosh, but then again the Rockets fly under the radar too...

I'm thinking of teams like OKC, Magic, Hawks, Hornets, Bucks, Bobcats, Wizards, Sixers, Mavs, Suns, Nuggets, Jazz, Blazers, Spurs, Grizzlies, Clippers, etc

 

how about jared jefferies expiring contract?

 

Thats Hedo and Deng together playing the same position for 4 more years together at over 40 million more dollars due for Hedo into his late 30's and Deng while his body falls apart too for more money Hedo i believe? What a genius plan by the Raptors! Can see the multitude of wins coming their ways. I can count them on my two hands the number in those 4 years. :grin:

 

First of all, Toronto is no where near the cap the next two years. If they do not resign Bosh, they will have less than 30million committed for next season and 34million in 2012. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/toronto.htm
But even assuming if you were right (which you arent), trading Bosh to Miami or chicago would give them a 18mill dollar trade exception which is much more valueble than ariza, deng, scola, chalmers, or any other mediocre players or others with long contracts.

The fact that Turk makes 10mil and has sucked is a huge incentive for Toronto to force him to Chicago or Miami. Both teams can absorb both Bosh and turks contracts. Dallas has Damps expiring (non guar) Butler's expiring as well as stevenson, barrera (31million). Getting rid of Turk is more valueble than anything they can gain from trading with the rockets short of aaron brooks. And with Chicago Miami they would save over 20million dollars next year alone, nearly 10 million with Dallas (due mainly to damps partial guarn contr) As for the rockets? We have under 20 million in expiring contract (not incl yao) and thats counting everyone, from Budinger, jermain Taylor, jefferies, hayes, hill to Battier.

Personally I dont see Chicago signing two max free agents nor do i believe miami has a realistic chance to signing two other aside from wade.