[ESPN]Bosh's wish list of teams[Updated: Bosh agent claims list not complete]

are you saying if Shaq didn't play for Miami, Miami still would have been champs?

 

He didn't do it by himself but he did it with a bunch of roleplayers which is what Lebron and Bosh have both had on their teams. These guys dont have the same passion or determination that Jordan had. I was never a Jordan fan growing up anyone who watched him could appreciate what he did on the court. Jordan made his teammates better. When you do that you don't need 3 allstars on the same team. But for those of you that want to keep riding Bosh and Lebron's nuts don't be mad when July 1st comes and passes and you get no happy ending.

 

OH no no don't get me wrong, having Shaq was a major reason why the Heat won but, just speaking in terms of individual performances that actually changed the outcomes and tipped the scales towards one team, Wade's performance against the Mavericks was awesome.

 

Scottie Pippen...as much as I hate the guy...was not a role player. When Jordan went to baseball, Scottie averaged something like 22 points, 9 boards, 5+ assists, and 3 steals a game.

He also has more assists and steals by any forward in NBA history...and he's been on the all defensive team 10 times.

 

you're absolutely. lebron is facing two options. one is to stay to win a title and prove to the world that he is the best player on the earth, like mj, of coz with help from cavs front office to make a better supporting cast, such adding an elite player. mj didn't get his rings righr away. or he chooses to move on. in this case, he will be ever labeled a great player but always one level below mj.

lebron has been with cavs since rookie season. cavs fans have connections. they can use their love to lure him to stay.

for us to show love will not have much impact on bosh's decision. he will get tons from different cities.

 

Ya and the only reason he averaged any of those is because of Jordan. Pippen sucked on all the other teams he played for.

 

END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!!!!! :grin:

 

Those are his numbers when Jordan wasnt there...no help from Jordan.

 

Jordan making his teammates better...I'd like to see evidence of this. If anything, the Triangle was the main reason why his teammates produced better numbers when they were on the Bulls compared to numbers when they went somewhere else.

 

Does it mean our chance of getting him is next to zero now? Do players usually reveal honestly their teams of preference under the situation?

 

If anything, Bosh is doing Toronto a favor by giving them this list. I mean, if the Lakers somehow wants/gets Bosh, I'd imagine that Bynum would be heading towards Canada and that's not all that bad for the Raptors.

What could actually work, in our favor, is if Toronto and Team X needs a third team to facilitate the trade where Morey could net us another 1st Round Pick or trade assets.

 

This is not a knee jerk response to: "OMG, sources claim that Bosh's agent gave the Raptors a destination demand." First of all, we don't really know how reliable that source is. Free agency doesn't start until July and it's hard for me to believe that Bosh has already made up his mind before the free-agency game begins, especially since LeBron and Wade's future teams are undecided. Furthermore, even if Bosh didn't include Houston as his priority teams to do a S&T, I don't see Morey being the type to say, "oh well...". If Morey truly believes that Bosh is someone worth pursuing, then he will remain persistent in his recruiting efforts to change his mind.

With that being said, I've been trying to figure out what our options for this summer are if the Bosh situation is a no-go so hear me out.

There were some rumors at the trade deadline last year that Amare almost became a Rocket (but the deal never went through due to an incomplete physical). Amare can be an unstoppable offensive weapon at times and is one of the best finishers in the NBA. The knock on him has always been his effort level, showcased by his lack-luster defense (most recently displayed in the Laker series) and poor rebounding numbers. As efficient and polished Amare's offense is, he is NOT someone who can generate their own offense. Due to the aforementioned reasons, Stoudemire is not worth a max contract. At the time he was being considered, Morey probably thought that Amare's deficiencies could be covered by Yao's presence in the paint. But, with Kevin Martin's addition, I am certain that you CANNOT have Amare, Kevin, and Aaron playing at the same time and expect to win anything significant because of the horrible defense. Therefore, we will not be pursuing Amare.

There's been some mention of HOU trying to move up to the 3/4 spot in this draft. Those are manned by the NETS and MINN. With the new Russian owner (willing to spend $$$ to make the team relevant) and D. Favors filling a "need" spot in their roster, I doubt that their pick is available. MINN, on the other hand, is in a very interesting situation. Their biggest need is a dynamic wing scorer that can create their own shot and make plays for others. After Evan Turner (projected to go 2nd), I don't think W. Johnson or Aminu are those types of players (too similar to C. Brewer imo). Drafting them with the 4th pick would be a waste. Meanwhile, the best player available is probably Cousins. I believe that this is where Morey can explore some options.

If MINN decides to draft Cousins, they will probably trade one of their bigs in Love or Al Jefferson. Love is younger, has a better contract, is without red flags like injuries, and is a better fit next to Cousins so he is probably the keeper. It would be better for MINN to draft Cousins as their center for the future and trade Al because I don't think Jefferson and Love can coexist (ala what SAC thought about the Martin/Evans situation). Which brings us to the question: What does MINN have that Morey might want? We know that Morey has been targeting Rubio for a while (although I think that HOU is quite satisfied with the Brooks/Lowry combo). Also, Jefferson fits the PF/C profile that the ROX need. I am not sure on how he would fit with the current team personnel since I have not watched him play very much (except when he pwns the ROX every time they play). If someone who is more knowledgeable about his game can enlighten the rest of us of how he would fit on our team, that would be great.

What could HOU offer MINN? If we do a trade for Jefferson and/or Rubio, our assets are:
Hill, Brooks, Budinger, Ariza, 14th pick 2010, rights to swap 1st with NY 2011, NY2012 1st, project players like Taylor/Llull, and veteran expirings like Battier and Jeffries.
Once again, I am not too familiar with MINN's state so I am going by what I think would be a reasonable 3 way trade.

HOU in - Al Jefferson, Rubio
HOU out - Hill, Brooks, Jeffries, Llull, 2012 NY pick

ATL in - Brooks, Hill, Jeffries
ATL out - Joe Johnson,

MINN in - Joe Johnson, Llull, 2012 NY pick and/or 2011 NY swap
MINN out - Al Jefferson, Rubio

2010-11 ROX?
Yao/Jefferson/Hayes
Jefferson/Scola/Andersen
Ariza/Battier
Martin/Budinger
Lowry/Rubio
+ 14 pick 2010 and any other 2nd rounders we pick up.

Discuss...



p.s. Obviously there are other players that we covet (Chris Paul, Wade, etc) but I was trying to be semi-realistic here...

 

if the X team can give us a 1st round pick, why just give it to raptors?

 

this is pure my observation. al doesn't play defense. his comfort zone is same as yao if you believe yao will be back injury free for a few years. if not, al is a good pick but really won't make this team much better. if you care only about playoff bound, al should be a good target. but if we want to be championship, we should think about rebuilding the team and don't tie up with al fat contract.

 

Hell, even a 2nd Rounder to help facilitate a trade without taking back any bad contracts would be Morey-esque :grin:

 

Cancer, keep him away! Sounds like he just wants glamor and drama.

 

I won't be disappointed if we don't land Bosh....assuming of course we make some sort of move to get an impact player. I think Scola is plenty good. Get a part-time/backup center, and either a SF who can score, or a PG who can get 8-10 assists/game.

 

I don't see how a sign and trade to Chicago works if LeBron chooses to sign there. Deng is a pretty risky investment to have if you already have Hedo, who is practically unmovable.

The Lakers are a virtual impossibility, Gasol is much better than Bosh and they aren't 2 guys you can play next to each other. I think Kupchak would much rather hold onto the 22 year old Andrew Bynum.

Miami and New York make sense to me. I think it's obvious he wants a basketball glamorous market, so that's what Houston should be pitched as.

 

That example is exactly the reason why he is a ROLE player, a SUPPORTING player. He couldn't win anything on his own, regardless of all that talent. Make no mistake, Scottie was a great player... one of the greatest of the 90s but he was a great role player playing second fiddle to Jordan who depended on him entirely mentally and emotionally

Without Jordan Scottie's lasting image is sulking on the bench because his own coach Phil Jackson had more trust in Toni Kukoc than in him to take the big shot.

couple of the guys had career series against the Mavs, not only Wade and Zo but Haslim played well. Joey Crawford was superb particularly in calling 21 fouls in a crucial game 5 including the game winning FTs for Wade

as for Bosh... not surprising. people have been saying for months that Houstonians overvalue everything... their city, their players, their owner everything. people outside of houston see things differently it's normal that Bosh at this point wouldn't consider Houston an attractive destination when Chicago, NY, Miami, LA, Dallas, are all out there.

however, none of the teams have made their pitches. for certain Morey will make the best pitch possible and maybe he can convince bosh. right now it's his agent and his preconceptions talking....

 

I don't have N.B.A money, but when you have money like Bosh and others (and how much you have or make is public) to move your immediate family either closer or to where you are...sometimes being close to your hometown isn't so good. Almost everyone has there hand out that has known you, "changed your diapers," "had your back," "remember when I"....etc etc etc....If they're not asking outright, then it's a sad story that makes you feel like you should give them something

Maybe the media just reported what they wanted to report....Maybe that wasn't the whole list...it seems to me they could have just reported partial. This just seems too obvious to me.

1. L.A - Defending champs
2. Mia - D. Wade's there (Pat Riley rumored to want to coach again)
3. Tor - His current team
4, NY - Rumored to be going after Lebron (Big Market)
5. Chi- Also rumored to be on Lebrons' wishlist