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[ESPN] Barkley comments on Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mogrod, Apr 28, 2008.

  1. t_mac1

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    or maybe they saw him play in game 2, put up 22, 9, 8 through 3 quarters and his team is still losing? is that even fathomable?

    usually when you dominate the entire game like that for 3 quarters, your team should AT LEAST be up by some.
     
  2. Dave_78

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    Mike was talking to Tmac LOL


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  3. t_mac1

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    that's what people don't get. they rotate fresh guys all the time. ak47 is completely fresh when he gets to guard him in the 4th. he's basically faces a different guy every quarter.

    what's worse is that calls are so inconsistent on how they guard him that it tires him out by just trying to get the ball.
     
  4. RocketsMac

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    see, I still don't understand why his "jumpshot" is the thing that we discuss the most, and he is just doomed if his J isn't falling..

    6 feet 8 inches for god's sake.. Baron davis is 5 inches shorter and takes it to the rim everytime.. freakin Deron Williams took it to the basket... TWICE.. one of them was a dunk.. he wasn't gonna lay it up and be denied, he went straight in..

    Tmac?

    fadeway from 18, nothing but backboard.. the next play? gets the ball taken away by Harpring, complains to the official, Harpring, who happens to be his man, hits a shot in the other end while this tired invalid is still complaining.. ball game..
     
  5. RocketsMac

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    this makes sense, but how about the 1st quarter? everyone has fresh legs.. are you telling me that Ronnie Brewer can stop Tmac one on one? is he fresher? I don't think so..
     
  6. Dave_78

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    Not necessarily.

    There is no excuse to become the league's new poster boy for choking when you have the ability to do what Tmac can do. I'm sick of the excuses about how tough the Jazz are and how they are karate chopping people in the balls or whatever mythical BS people are conjuring up to bail Tmac out.

    The way he is playing is disgusting. Near triple doubles are great but just like 22 game win streaks, it don't mean jack unless you can win in the playoffs.
     
  7. t_mac1

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    dude you are dumb. davis shoots a gazillion 3s a game and he's just as perimeter-oriented as tmac, if not more. deron faces alston ALL game (if you can't figure out one guy then well...).

    and deron's responsiblities aren't as much as tmac. deron was 2-6 for 8 pts through 3 quarters. tmac already put up 24 shots in 3 quarters for our team. please man, deron has it easy if you ask me. he can brick 2 fts and nobody cares about it b/c he's not on the level of tracy.

    tmac needs to play better in the 4th quarter and he should play better, but don't bring in guys that can suck and their teams can still win and compare what they do to what tmac has to do.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    but again, magic and barkley were superstars. they know what tmac is going through. i'm talking about the first 3 quarters of game 2. tmac was LITERALLY doing EVERYTHING on the court (you name one thing, he did it). i think magic and barkley saw that and yet they look at the score and his team was still LOSING.

    i'm not bailing tmac out. he's already perceived as a loser before this series. he's already being perceived as overrated, selfish, whiner... before this series. unless he wins, none of that is going to change.

    i simply responded to you saying why magic/barkley changed their stance and that's when they changed their stance. in game 2 of this series.
     
  9. t_mac1

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    technically if you take out the 4th quarter, tmac is shooting 42%. his shooting gets worse as the game goes on obviously b/c he's fatigued and ak47 is fresher guarding him.

    he usually does well in the first 3 quarters scoring the ball.

    game 1: 20 pts, 7rebs, 6ast
    game 2: 22pts, 9rebs, 8ast
    game 3: 20pts, 4rbs, 5ast
    game 4: 19pt, 8rbs, 6ast

    so he scores pretty well in the first 3 quarters. he hasn't done well in the 4th though. if he had scored at the same pace as the first 3 quarters, he should be averaging 27-28 ppg rather than 23ppg (it would help if he also makes his fts though)
     
  10. RocketsMac

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    apparently, you don't watch basketball

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    and when Baron shoots a 3, chances are he's gonna hit it..

    Deron Williams: position-6'3 pointguard
    Tracy McGrady: position- 6'8 Small forward

    as of right now, I would take Deron Williams over Tmac any day of the week..
     
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    I've always thought Kenny and Charles gave the Rockets tough love because we have all the potential with nothing to show for it.

    Barkley defending TMac is nice, but it also means that TMac doesn't have those great expectations tacked onto him as years past.

    I think many Rockets fans have accepted it, but it's still sad to realize how it's affected the guy and with a few breaks in every series past, things would've been different.
     
  12. EbolaScola

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    I've noticed that too. It's good to see Barkley is finally cutting us some slack.
     
  13. ibm

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    is it fair? no. but what is?

    and who perceives him as a bad guy? that is just baseless.
     
  14. tigermission1

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    The Jazz are a bruising team, which means they're a bad matchup for us as long as Tracy and Yao are our two premier guys. They're both 'finesse' players who don't thrive in a physical environment.

    That being said, imagine how big a strong, big guard like Bonzi could've been in a series like this. We got 'tweener' with the Jackson trade, although I understand why the move was made (save money).
     
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    I cant stand someone accuse another not having enough basketball knowledge and make a statemet like that.

    Baron Davis is a career 32% 3 pointer shooter. He shot a little better than 35% in his best year behind the arc. He normally shoots around 33% these days and yet he attempts almost 6 to 7 3p a night. Apparently, you dont watch Baron Davis play.
     
  16. The Rock MVP

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    Grant Hill never won a series??
     
  17. bbjai

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    Baron Davis got benched too

    in the most crucial game

    for shooting blanks
     
  18. RocketsMac

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    Tracy McGrady- 29% from FT line..

    IF you actually watched Baron play, you would figure out that when he's hot, it's pretty much over for the other team.. I haven't seen a single game where Mac got "hot" compared to Baron's definition of "hot"..

    my old buddy YallMean, u seem to like stats.. here's a little one for you:
    Baron Davis playoffs last year:
    FG%: 52%
    3pt %: 38%
    FT %: 77%

    Tmac playoffs this year:
    FG%: 38%
    3pt %: 15%
    FT% 58%

    Baron Davis' numbers came against BOTH the Mavs and the Jazz last year.. oh wait, does that mean he actually got out of the first round? you betcha..

    but afterall, Baron had a great supporting cast and great superstars on his team.. oh wait, not really, he had a psycho Stephen Jackson, an inconsistent Ellis, and a mediocre Richardson.. :rolleyes:
     
  19. BMoney

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    God, you're tedious. I guess the good thing in your case is that nobody will ever overrate you.
     
  20. YallMean

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    You are kidding me,right? What bearing there is to compare Tmac's this year's playoff stats with Baron's last year run-and-gun playoff stats. If you want to compare, did the warriors lose to Utha in 5, while we took them to 7. But I dont want to talk about that.

    Also you said when Baron shoots a 3, chances are it hits? No playoff mentioning. What chances were you talking about. 1 out of every 3 is not a good chance in my book. Baron is not a good 3 pointer shooter, period. Pull it out already.
     

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