its funny to me that the same people that wanted to retain Von citing his youth and upside and high cieling are the same people that think getting a player that is 10x the prospect Von is for the MLE is a bad deal. signing him for 5 years at the MLE is a freaking STEAL.
He was like the sixth option dude. I guess you didn't watch the Denver series where he cemented two victories for the Lakers by his defense alone. Do you think Battier is overpaid? He averaged 10 ppg the season before he came to us but was still in the 30's overall in fantasy basketball. It's not always about ppg, which I think he will increase any ways. Once again, you're being a debbie downer. You did it on draft night and you're doing it now. Moves like this is one of the reasons why I'm still excited about the Rockets. Losing him to the Cavs would really irritate me.
I agree. I'm going to be pissed if he backs out. Just another hit for our offseason and players shouldn't be allowed to be talked to if they can't even sign. What's the point if they can just back out?
Woah, 10 times the prospect? Why would you say that? Von is much more skilled offensively and Trevor is much more skilled defensively. Not sure how you get 10 times...Von had arguably a better year offensively in less minutes than Trevor did.... I think you can get about the same production from Von for a lot less money, and keep Battier..... If you are hell bent on trading Battier then the Ariza deal makes sense depending upon whom you get in return. And VON can dribble and create his own shot...Trevor...can not. DD
Don't back out now. In Houston you are going to have a chance to start and get 30+ mins per night. Remember you get to improve your game.. They'll stick you on the bench in Cleveland..
From what I'm reading on Twitter (I know how some feel about Twitter, but bottomline is, Artest to the Lakers, our draft day deals, Hedo bolting to Tor all broke on Twitter first, before ESPN, Yahoo, CBSSports etc) Trevor is not backing out. I think it's just his agent doing his job, even though it's a bit shady, casting out smoke a bit, in desperation a team like Por comes through with a bigger offer or something.
because the single most valuable commodity in the NBA is multidimensionality. why is KG worth so much more than Millsap? because he's the ideal player for that position. he's tall, he's athletic, he can step out and hit a jump shot, he rebounds, he defends, he can guard the pick and roll, he plays inside, outside, above the rim, leads, runs the floor, dives for loose balls, etc. in short, KG is the prototypical NBA power forward. the same can be said about ariza. he's the prototypical NBA small forward, and he's on a hell of an arc in terms of the growth of his game. he works hard, he plays both ends of the floor, without going into detail he's everything i just said translated over to a small forward package, with the exception of the leadership. as he continues to grow, he will probably develop that too. all that, for the MLE. Tayshaun Prince or a better version of James Posey, for the MLE. with a still improving offensive game. and he's a champion, whose been through the playoff battles. i mean, how is it possible not to think thats an incredible deal?
We'll see what Trevor can do on an injury depleted Rockets team, as opposed to being the 4th option on a stacked Lakers team. Von may have more offensive game for the time being, but Trevor has more potential. Look at what he did in the playoffs. Knocked down 3's, single handedly won games with his defense (Denver) etc. Trevor, as we all know is Shane's replacement. He's better than average/ good on D and has more potential offensively than Shane. More athletic as well, younger legs. Stop with the Von man crush. I like Von, but for you being one of the biggest TMac haters saying he's a cancer and whatnot, what's Von? He continually got into it with RA, even doing so in the playoffs which resulted in a early locker room exit. Taylor could be as good as Von is right now, and cheaper. Again, Morey found us Wafer, and while you bash the draft deals, he must see something in Taylor/Buddinger as well. Enough so to let Von go. Until Morey completely bombs on these trades, FA signings, draft picks, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
No, read twitter.com/nba_rumors_news He broke the Toronto signing Hedo first AND Sheed signing with Boston He's legit.
He was up and down that series, but was actually better in points per minute than the regular season. Adelman just didn't play him as much. DD
It's amazing how people act like this is 1950. Folks, if a person magically heard it "on the radio" and nowhere else, 99.9% of the time, it's absolute bunk. Talk radio is filled with speculation from listeners and hypothetical ideas, and depending on your agenda or when you tune into the conversation, it's easy to turn a hypothetical "I wonder if..." into a legitimate rumor. If there were anything of substance to this, John Ireland, or whoever the reporter supposedly was, would've had it on the internet himself hours ago, and the whole world would be thanking him for the scoop. "On the radio" rumors have been flooding the internet since its creation, and they're ridiculously annoying.
I higher points per minute isn't necessarily good if he's shooting worse, which he was, not to mention he played even worse defense than the regular season while contributing absolutely nothing besides inefficient scoring.
I can't keep up with this thread. Let me just throw this in, risking repeating something someone else has already pointed out: Many people say that Ariza is Battier's replacement in Morey's plan. I think Ariza is Artest's replacement. Artest was brought in as the "third" star who could create shots. But he was a disappointment. He turned out to be no more than a glorified role player. The only thing he could create was bad shots for himself. And his defense was rapidly declining. I believe this was why Morey elected to let Artest walk and sign Ariza to a similar price. Since Artest is not the star we wanted, and we are not going to sign a star with the MLE, we might as well get someone like Ariza to replace Artest. Ariza is at least as good as Artest on defense (in different style). And since Artest doesn't create good shots either for himself or for his teammates, Ariza at least can play within the system. As many people has already pointed out, Ariza's offense is nothing like Battier's. One is a slasher, the other is a spot up shooter.
Shane is getting up there in age, and he's eventually the replacement. A lock down defender. Rockets aren't looking for Trevor to score 18PPG out the gate. It's more of a move towards the future, 2010. We had Ariza as opposed to Artest game 7, we still get blown out
I admit my question was flawed.. if we had had ariza and the lakers had artest, will we still be able to win 3 games?
