lol haha when I saw the two letters "DD" I immediatly thought that was another one of those Vons good Arizas not passages that I and a lot of us disagree alot with...didn't realise until after I posted that I realised the actual poster forged a signiture lol anyways either way I've presented my argument to those stupid(in my opinion) statements arguing for Von over Ariza
6 years?? did morey magically avoid the CBA and add an extra year to the contract? its 5 years. and believe me Battier won't be here when next season starts. Von is never going to be Manu and Ariza is never expected to be more than Battier/Posey
Is there evidence to suggest otherwise? Yes to say that Ariza would be a perfect fit for Houston is conjecture but I believe there's more optimistic evidence than the contrary. Your reasons for why Ariza wouldn't work out in Houston (not a ball-handler, has no offense, Battier jr., etc) just simply not true from the statistics I have seen. You can't just pigeon-hole a player into a "Bruce-Bowen" or a "Ginobili". Ariza is Ariza, and to me that means he's a capable offensive player and a defensive stud. What do you mean by "create"? Drive to the basket and either finish or pass? Ariza does that way more than Wafer or Battier and the numbers show it.
Chauncey Billups went for the full MLE. Look how that turned out. You won't get a player who's already a Manu for the MLE. However you certain CAN get a Manu is disguise who BECOMES Manu after he signed that MLE contract.
Exactly, but we already have our BOWEN type in Battier, so having 2 is redundant. And again, if we are moving Battier, fine. DD
More than Wafer? That would be an interesting stat comparison..... Although, one is doing it with Yao in the middle clogging the paint... Wafer to me is a much more efficient player and can shoot the ball, Trevor can not. DD
Ariza is NOT a Battier type!! What exactly do you mean by "Battier-type"? An elite defender who camps out at the 3 pt line? Ariza sure as heck isn't that and I think I've shown plenty of evidence in that respect. Now, I do kind of dislike the fact that his contract is going to cut into the 2010 money but that would've been true had it been Artest or Wafer.
It stops us from being able to offer a MAX contract in 2010.......that to me is a primary problem. But, I will freely admit we don't know all of Morey's blueprint and this is hardly the set roster. If Battier is flipped for Fernandez and Outlaw...fine.....I could see that. But if we hit the floor next year with Battier and Ariza as starting wings we will not make the playoffs. DD
44% of Ariza's shot attempts are non-jumpers and he converts .625% of them. 30% of Wafer's shot attempts are non-jumpers and he converts .500% of them. Ariza has a 3.3 assists to bad passes rating (much more relevant than assist to turnover ratio) Wafer has a 2.7 of the same metric. Ariza has a 4.0 passing rating while Wafer has a 2.7 passing rating (neither are great).
OK..since I can not make a new thread, I will post i here. Last night during the sports segment on ABC 13 news they mentioned that the Rockets and the Jazz were in talks for a trade involving T-Mac. Did anyone else catch that or was I the only one who saw and heard?
Yep, Ariza is highly efficient, but near the basket. Battier is efficient outside. I think they can both fit.
i agree that he's not like battier. he is way more althletic and has gotten by in this league due to his god-given physical gifts. he had, hitherto this recent lakers campaign, been a bit of a knucklehead, but he has shown signs that he may finally "get it." battier has always "gotten it", that's his deal--> technique and fundamentals within the team construct. not saying ariza's the greatest signing in the world but let's see what else we do before we judge. but, he is not redundant with battier. not unless you think having multiple players who can defend redundant.
all i know is that his contract being the MLE doesn't affect the rockets financial flexibility in the long term therefore yao's status shouldn't even matter. we still have options with tmac and will have the cap space in 2010 if we choose to. ariza and battier pretty much shore up our SF position for many years with battier probably getting less minutes on the down hill of his career. once we get a star shooting guard, the creator problem is solved. it is better laying the groundwork right now when we know we got a solid player for a decent price. he doesn't have to be perfect for us, he just needs to play his role. MLE contract guys are essentially starting role players and ariza will make a solid one.
Once athleticism starts to go, all you got is smarts......Battier will have a longer career than Trevor will......barring injury. DD
Settle down DD. Ariza has a rep for being athletic and playing smart. The Rockets still have a chance to re-sign Wafer. If the Rockets had used any part of their MLE on Wafer they would've over paid. There has to be a reason why his agent was so angry when the Rockets used their MLE on Ariza. IMO it's because there is no interest in him around the league.
