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[ESPN] Adande's Four Quarters: Thoughts on Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dback816, Nov 13, 2007.

  1. TheSummit

    TheSummit Member

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    Don't waste time explaining to this dude.
     
  2. doublehh03

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    EXACTLY. tmac avg what? 3 assists the first 2-3 games? now he's back to 7-8 like last yr.

    i don't want him to have a load as much as last yr where he does BOTH scoring + playmaking.

    i want him to just focus on scoring and then pass out of his movement when he wreaks havoc on the defense. i don't want him to start out knowing he has to set up a play and wastes all his energy into that.

    we saw what happened when u force tmac to do both last yr => he gets fatigued.

    if bonzi plays better, james shoots better, francis hopefully can play, i'd love or tmac to just play 33 mins a game, avg 23-24 ppg, get 4 assists.

    then down the stretch of games or in the playoffs, he has the energy to take over.
     
  3. doublehh03

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    it's funny when he labels ppl a fan of certain players, but those posters care for the wins.

    he only cares if yao gets his stats. that's mind boggling considering how yao and tmac haven't won and the purpose is for both to win and shut all the doubters.

    tmac got 32ppg, 6 boards, 6 assists in oen of the best reg. season ever by a perimeter player and lost. stats don't matter if u lose but i guess a lot of ppl don't know that.
     
  4. The Hunted

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    Wow dead on.
     
  5. SmitingPurpleEm

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    We beat the Knicks in one of those games and we lost to Kobe and the Lakers in the other in 2OT.

    You're the one complaining about touches for McGrady after a win. I waited until we lost at Dallas. You're also the one complaining about Yao not being dominant enough. So now when I want him to dominate and put up 35/15/7 performances, you think I want the team to lose? You must want Yao to be a stiff so you can rag on him while at the same time your god gets 35 shots and all the glory for winning each game. Great. Too bad this formula produces first round losses.
     
  6. doublehh03

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    again, u bring up the stats. yao can dominate putting up 22, 11, 3 and plays 32-33 mins a game. => that means WE HAVE A TEAM.

    when u want yao to put up 35/15/7, he's doing too damn much.

    don't u get that?

    we want our stars to do LESS but be more effective down the stretch and in the playoffs.

    but again, u bring up the stats. what can i say?

    duncan avg 19 and 11 the last few yrs and won. he's considered the best player by most.

    yao can avg 35/15/7 but that means he can do that b/c no one else on this team helps him (or is that what u want? if yao puts up those stats, that means he's taking a gazillion shots).

    but again, it's all about yao's stats
     
  7. TheSummit

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    I have never understood who turned Yao and Tmac against each other. Maybe it's because I am new but I am starting to see more people divided between the two. The funny thing is, I don't think it matters the least bit to either guy. Winning is all that matters.
     
  8. DaRock1

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    You know any thread with doublehh03 and smitingpurple in it will turn into a Yao Vs Tmac debate.
     
  9. doublehh03

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    exactly. i LOVED the way yao finished the spurs. he had the legs for those fallaways and that surprised but excited me.

    i LOVED the way tmac finished the bobcats.

    again, but if they have no help and our 2 stars have to repeatedly put up big stats (when the role players we brought in should ALLEVIATE what they have to do), we lose in the first round again.

    last yr, yao had just as much of a role as tmac in terms of having the offense for him in the playoffs. he averaged 19 shots in the playoffs v. utah. tmac avg 22. they're around the same. but the rest didn't contribute.

    it's not about the stats for these 2. it's about wins. i want the league to consider our stars WINNERS, not great stats players.
     
  10. doublehh03

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    i love yao, get that right. and he brought up this whole thing first unfortunately.
     
  11. TheSummit

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    I agree with double hh but I don't feel I like one player over the other. Im new to this forum, so I have no clue.
     
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    Um, McGrady is averaging more shots than Yao, even in this supposed "Feed Yao" offense. It's his fault he's not making them at an great percentage, not Yao's or Adelman's I really don't get what you're complaining about, unless you really want McGrady to jack up 35 shots a game. You must really be about McGrady's stats because you want more touches for him when he's already getting a lot of touches, Yao is getting involved, and we're winning.
     
  13. fadeawayjae

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    he probably meant season-high
     
  14. TheSummit

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    please show me where he said that in this thread cuz I did not see anything suggesting that.
     
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    why do i think i'm repeating myself.

    it's the TYPE of shots man, not the quantity of shots. what's so hard to understand?

    it's like going from point A to point B. i have 2 ways of getting there. one takes 5 mins, the other takes 15 minutes. both give me point B but one is easier. what is so hard to understand?

    the more tmac can focus on scoring and moving around, the less playmaking he has to do => the more energy he has when there are less responsibilities.

    i know it's a hard concept to fathom, but i've repeated myself a gazillion times.
     
  16. DaRock1

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    He did. But if anyone says anything not that complimentary about Tmac, I can rest assured that you will jump into the discussion in no time to debate the 'accusations'.
     
  17. doublehh03

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    well i do that for francis too :D.
     
  18. TheSummit

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    You are basically saying you rather have Tmac playing off the ball more?
    Therefore it makes it tougher to defend him and opens up more scoring oppurtunities for the rest of the team. Also, limiting his responsibilities from a ballhandling standpoint. correct me if Im wrong.
     
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    So Yao has to stand at the elbow and be a Divac/Miller-esque stiff so McGrady gets his easy shots, because that seems to be the way McGrady gets the easy shots given the first few games. Brilliant.

    At least McGrady is still getting many touches and looks in this offense. I'll take the offense which has both involved over the one which has Yao playing like a complete stiff.
     
  20. doublehh03

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    who said it has to come at yao's expense? tmac is not moving much at all WHEN YAO IS NOT IN THE GAME.

    yao's actually the best passer for tmac believe it or not. he got them the dunk v. the lakers that got him going. he got tmac the dunk as tmac cut through felton v. the bobcats.

    just mix it up a lil and REALLY go for it when yao's out.

    i don't see any motion for tracy when yao sits. he's still a playmaker then.
     

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