I think Vince has intangibles, such as leadership, it's his decision making and ability to read defenses and having a strong enough arm to make the types of throws you need to make are the questions with him.
I think Elway was considered one of the best prospects ever actually. I've heard on multiple occasions recently that "Bush is the greatest pro prospect since John Elway."
Actually his point was that Young has more touch on his throws. I'm fine with that. But that doesn't make him a better passer. I don't know if Young can rifle it to reciever running a slant pattern.
VY had his own offensive scheme(zone read) which was based on his ability to read the defense and option off of that. that won a national title, so lets not throw in reading defenses as VY bash backer, because it has no basis.
vince does have all the intangibles of a great pro qb. leadership, poise, and doing whatever it takes to win. your criticisms of him making the right decision were valid last year, but he didn't make a lot of bad decisions this year. no one perfect, especially qb's, but his decision making was excellent this year. vince has a better arm than most people are giving him credit for. he can throw the thing 50+ yards but he knows how to use touch on the intermediate routes and doesn't just gun in there like a lot of qb's do. he throws catchable balls, that's extremely important in the short to medium passing game.
yes, elway was a GREAT prospect but like every other prospect, he had weak points. there were parts of his game that weren't absolutely certain of pro success. i was just pointing out, there was some legitimate downsides to elway's game. just like vince has.
Believe it or not crose I respect your opinion, and I also respect what Vince has done. But reading the defensive end isn't the same as reading an NFL secondary or coverage. signed aparrent VY basher
Actually he only had one less interception last year compared to the year before. In his last two seasons he's averaged almost an interception per game.
I just cant comprehend what you have against a guy who has done nothing except, lead the horns to victory, progress as a passer each year in college all the while maintaining his legs, change mack browns outlook on coaching and thus gaining him a national title, breaking trojan hearts, doing it all with a smile and some class, and staying out of trouble. THE GUY IS A WINNER. plain and simple. give him some credit and quit trying to knock him down, because without him, all eyes would be on USC and "three-pete"! VY gives me more ammo in the ongoing debate over which state is better out of CALI-TEXAS.
Agreed, I'm not trying to take any of that away. As I've said, Vince has had a great college football career, but in terms of the Texans, I don't think he's the right guy. I hope that doesn't take anything away from what he's accomplished, because it is truely amazing what he's done. When I offer my opinions about him in these threads, it's not to demean him, it's only to explain why I feel Bush is the better fit for us. I was proud as a Texan what he did in that game.
He also had far more attempts, completions, touchdowns, and yards than he did the previous year on his way to leading the nation in passing efficiency in 2005 until the bowl season. But those aren't relevant facts, right abuttschell? As long as he would be confused for Akili Smith in a snowstorm from 100 yards away.....
I've never discounted those facts, and my comparison to Smith was that I feel Young will have the same problem that he had when he came to the NFL. The game was just played at a different speed.
AGAIN, YOUNG AND SMITH ARE NOTHING ALIKE OTHER THAN THEY ARE BLACK. THE COMPARISON IS LUDICROUS AND YOU LOOSE CREDIBILITY MAKING IT.
I'm sure your extensive film study of late 90's Oregon and subsequent Bengals games confirms this? Or is there some other factor you seem to be hanging this on? What precisely was the nature of Smith's problem? His explosive collegiate mobility and 100 yard rushing seasons didn't translate to the NFL? Anyway, from my own Oregon film studies, I can say the same will happen to Reggie Bush. His obvious predecessor Onterrio Smith found it out the hard way. Really, if we look at Onterrio Smith we're looking at what Reggie Bush would be with a few extra lbs and some whizzinator will do , although to be fair Smith was a featured tailback in college so I wouldn't want to set the bar too high for Reggie. That would be unfair.
buttshell, the draft is nothing but one big crapshoot. everyone has question marks. all i know is that vy won the biggest college football game in years, practically on his own. he was the best player on the field, by miles and miles. that's all we have to go by for now. we'll see how long it takes him to carry the texans on his back to the playoffs and beyond. woohoo!
VY dominated the game with his legs, arm and decision making/mental approach to the game against four of the recent NC coaches with powerhouse talent and well respected DC doing everything they could to stop him--USC, OU, Ohio S, & Mich. Remember Ohio State had a pro caliber LB core plus great d ends and DBs, Young primarily moved the ball through the air. It is not the same as dominating the pro talent/opposing coaches, but it is as impressive as you can get without being in the pros. The leaps in the athleticism of his competition and big game pressure were MUCH greater for say example Culpepper, Rothlesburger, McNair, and yet even those guys contributed pretty quickly on the pro level. I guess we will find out soon enough, but I would expect VY to have the arm strength of a Montana, Steve Young or Tom Brady. He alreay seems to have a nice touch/arc, can hit guys in stride, and decent timing. My questions about VY would be about his accuracy/consistency (while not in the Rose Bowl, other games he didn't often seem to excute the easy play), does he have merely a good arm versus great arm, and ability to read NFL defenses. He would have to majorly dissappoint in many of these areas not to be the best pro football prospect in many years. Further I think if in fact Young proves to have merely a "good arm" alomg with his with touch and timing that is preferrable to a cannon without those latter things (perhaps Vick?).
