Don't give that to me now. I told you folks and many others that before the game. I was told that USC was just bored in those games... that they had more defensive speed than even Ohio State... that it was going to be a new dimension for VY and it was too much to overcome. I see the point, and I've heard it mentioned by Chris Mortensen and others. But it's hard to accept that line of logic when they were saying the exact opposite before the game.
So true. VY and UT are damned if they do and damned if they don't on this board. Make no mistake though, that SC defense will have alot of nflers.
I dont even understand that reply. I'm not one of the "folks" you're referring to. I'm not a fan of USC. I didnt pick them to win against Texas. I thought they lost to Notre Dame ( thanks to poor officiating they didn't). USC does not have a good defense. I thought that before, I think that afterwards...
Then you're the exception to the rule, because it was pretty difficult to find anyone but the Texas diehards giving Texas much of a chance in that game, at least publically. USC might not have a great defense, but Ohio State did. Oklahoma's was very good. Even Kansas had a good defense. Vince has done it in big games (USC, Michigan, Ohio State, OU), against good defenses, in easy games - you name it, he's been this dominant. It isn't like we're overreacting to one game. If you were referring to my point that the competition in bowl games is different, that's still the case. Although USC's defense isn't great, it's still better than that of UH, for example. Statistics such as passer rating are more valid if they're regular seaon only - much like they are in the NFL.
College stats are imprecise barometers for the most part since a given team plays only about 10% of the teams. I don't make up the way stats are kept. I just want people to be accurate when they cite stats. It doesn't change the fact that Vince Young was Lord and Master to all the other college players this year.
Tommy Frasier -- are you really comparing a OPTION quarterback with NO passing ability to a guy who completed over 65% of his passes and threw for over 3,000 yards? Akili SMith -- he was a below average runner in college who rushed for 184 yards his senior year. he was not a dual threat qb, and comleted 58% of his passes. Not getting this comparison. Charlie Ward -- unfortunately we will never know how ward would have fared as a pro FOOTBALL player. i don't understand why he's on a list of guys who "busted" as pros. he decided to play basketball for a living, shouldn't even be on this list. Michael Vick -- as far as college stats and passing ability goes, he doesn't even compare to vince. he was hampered by injuries as a sophomore but he threw for 1,234 yards and 8 TD's, completing 54% of his passes and rushed for 607 yards and 8 touchdowns. and his freshman season was his best as he threw for 1,840 yards and 12 touchdowns, completing 59% of his passes and rushed for 585 yards and 8 TD's. when you look at the college careers of these other qb's you mention, vince is head and shoulders above ALL of them. he improved so much between last season and this season as a passer it's really unbelievable. at the time of entering their respective drafts, vince young is by far the most complete of all these listed qb's and a lot of others as well.
I have A couple of names 1. Steve McNair 2. Donovan McNabb 3. Daunte Cullpepper 4. John Elway 5. Steve Young 4 of the five have went to a Super Bowl, and 2 of them have won one.
If you really want to look for a guy similar, all you have to do is look at last year's number one pick. Alex Smith had the second highest passer rating after the season, was a good rusher, ran the same offense, even quarterbacked an undefeated BCS team. unfortunately, if anyone has looked like a complete bust their first year in the NFL, its Mr. Smith. But he did beat the Texans.
I ask those who think VY is a near sure bet to succeed in the NFL a question: Remember when UT had the ball down by 12 (~6 minutes left) and VY threw his only bad pass of the game, a wild throw across the field that was up for grabs? What if USC had made the pick, scored another TD and won the game going away? Would you still be screaming for the Texans to take him #1 if UT had lost the game this way instead of winning? I ask this because too much stock is being put into this one game (or even one play). VY may be a great NFL QB one day, but destroying a mediocre college defense in a big game doesn't prove he will. When he gets drilled by a safety or linebacker after a run or intercepted, opposing defenses are going to remind him "This isn't the Rose Bowl". I like Vince and will follow him wherever he goes in the NFL. I want him to become a superstar. But let's have some perspective here. One great college game has radically changed opinions about Vince, but his prospects as an NFL QB are the same as before: Big question mark.
And Reggie Bush is question mark free? Frankly, I think he's a BIGGER risk because you don't know if his body will hold up when you ask him to carry the work-load of an AVERAGE NFL running back... let alone a franchise one. Reggie sounds like he needs the perfect system installed to do what he does best... and even then, you won't know if he'll succeed because we don't have enough talent to divert the attention of the opposing teams' defense (there's a reason why guys like Randy Moss can be contained... teams do everything to stop them). Either way, both players are studs, and both players can eventually be pro-bowlers... but I just think Vince is a better fit given that its Houston, he just won the national championship, and he plays a more important position. Also, none of us were expecting Vince to come out... and even though we knew he had this type of game in him (hell, we saw it in the 2005 Rose Bowl), the proximity of it to the draft definitely helps... even if it is just one game.
I think this is going to be the 1,043 time i'm going to say this, and i'm not calling just you out but lets try to put this to rest: Vince Young's Performance in the Rose Bowl isn't the one and only reason why fans have all of sudden jumped on the "Draft Vince" Bandwagon. Vince's performance in the Rose Bowl is what made his decision to come out and enter the NFL Draft. We as fans, didn't consider him for the #1 pick because from every media report in the nation, Vince was going to go back for his senior year before the Rose Bowl. He was going to go back because he felt like he wasn't going to be a top 5 pick and therefore, was gonna head back to Austin for his senior year. And if anything, I feel like Reggie Bush has the same amount if not more question marks around him than Vince. Can Reggie run in between the tackles in the NFL? Can he carry the ball 20+ times consistently for 16 games? Why did the Heisman Trophy winner only carry the ball 13 times and wasn't in some of the most important plays of the game, in the most important game of the season? I, like most other people, was on the "Draft Reggie" bandwagon the last couple of weeks but that's because I felt that Vince was gonna go back for his senior season. I have watched Vince play when I was a student up in Austin and now and it wasn't just the Rose Bowl that convinced me he's gonna be a truly special player. When the longhorns got the ball with 2 minutes left and down by 5, I had no doubt in my mind that he was going to find a way to win that game. Let me ask everyone here something: What has David Carr in the last 4 years done that warrants an $8 million dollar bonus? Granted he's played behind a s*it offensive line, I feel like he's regressed and maybe to the point where it can't be fixed. I just think it's time to cut the chord. Both parties need a fresh start and a new scenery.
my opinion hasn't changed about vince unlike some people who just saw him play that one game in the rose bowl. i've seen the vast improvement in his passing and knowledge of the game just from last season alone. he's put in a lot of hard work and it has paid off for him and that's why i don't see that "big" question mark. he's a guy with a ton of talent and a terrific work ethic and guy who just cares about winning. there are no questions marks in any of that. and as far as that "near" interception in the 4th, do you know how many plays there are like that through out the course of EVERY football game. give me a break. what about matt leinart's near interception by drew kelson. that would have changed the game dramatically too. there are so many plays that "almost" happen, but you know what, they didn't happen. you focus on the ones that did.
I think Steve McNair would be the most comparable to VY because of his clutch play and how hard he used is to bring down. McNair has a stronger arm, but VY is a more fluid runner. VY Legs = Randall Cunningham VY Arm = Bernie Kosar VY Clutch Play = John Elway
Vince Young is the best prospect to come out in years. No one believes he can do it really at the pro level or teams would be salivating over him. He will prove the 'experts' wrong. Casserly will be fired in the next couple of seasons after further ruining the franchise. Texan fans don't even think we are going anywhere the next 3-4 seasons, it will take years to recover from passing on VYoung. Passing on Young= passing on Hakeem and not drafting MJ. Casserly= John McMullen
If Leinart had been intercepted by Kelson it wouldn't have changed anyone's opinion about him. My point was would be so many people be on Vince's bandwagon if the outcome had been different. Some of you say Vince coming out is what changed your mind, not his spectacular game. Maybe so, but it's obvious his one game performance in this year's Rose Bowl has stirred up a hornets nets. I say if UT had not won the game, VY would be coming back and few would question it. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, Vince will be drafted high, sign a multi-million dollar NFL contract and an even bigger shoe contract. He MUST come out because that game has put him on a pedestal in rarefied air. I hope he redefines the QB position in the NFL but have my doubts.
