wow, and you managed to pick all black qb's two of whom never played in the NFL and one who was a pure drop back passer, Akili. So of the four, two are irrelevant, one was nothing like Young other than he's black, and the last Vick, may not have stats but his team wins a LOT more than the Texans. awesome thread.
That's kinda F'ed up and funny at the same time. I just totally realized that they were all black qbs. Honestly, I thought all of us were past the whole black qb thing.
Did Tommie Frazier lead the nation in passing efficiency in addition to being able to run the ball and have the size of Vince Young? If not, there's no comparison. Same for Ward, Smith and any of the others you mentioned. Next.
I have been saying all season Reggie Bush is a spectacular 15-20 touch player, but overrated as a college football player and pro prospect because enough plays can't go through him. The Rose Bowl just confirmed what I had been saying and allowed people to see through the hype about Bush and to see where the Heisman should have landed. A team would be fools to pass on a franchise QB (be it Young or Leinart) for a part time RB/specialty player. The Texans should take VY or trade down to someone who pays a pretty penny for a shot at a franchise QB. BTW Roger Staubach was a running QB and he became pretty decent throwing QB. Steve Young, Elway, and McNabb have great legs too, even if not quite like VY. I don't see their mobility making them inferior players. Those are just as apt comparisons than Vick. People forget VY lead the nation in passing efficiency, and was 30-40 with no INTs in the biggest college football game in years. He has questions like all draftees (e.g., low delivery, does he have a cannon for deep outs?) but his physical qualities and leadership qualities are too phenomenal to pass up.
VY did not finish as the top rated passer after the bowls. He finished third. Still great. I think Bush is a great player as well. I just don't choose him over Young who I didn't think would enter this draft.
those quarterbacks are all undersized. vy is a legitimate 6'5 and probably pushing 6'6. height and size are one of the most important physical attributes for a qb prospect.
Including bowl games in passer rating is dumb because of the huge difference in competition that quarterbacks face. The Rose Bowl is a harder environment to pass in than the Fort Worth Bowl, for example. I realize that this is also true during the regular season, but there are 11-12 games for these things to even themselves out. There's such a dramatic difference in the quality of opposition from bowl to bowl that I don't think it should be seriously considered.
Did Vince Young impregnate your wife or something? You really have a suspicious vendetta against him.
to reiterate about the height thing. the line is so fine between being 6'3 and 6'4 it makes all the difference in where a qb can get drafted. its similar to a wr who runs between a 4.4 and a 4.5 in the 40
It's not suspicious; it's aggy. Makes perfect sense. They're still calling him "radio" and claiming Reggie McNeal would be just as good if he only had the talent around him.
IC2000 went to Madison High School. He was the backup QB to Vince. If it wasn't for Vince, IC2000 would be at UT playing for the National Championship.
At one point in time, Mike Vick led the nation with his QB rating too. There goes that argument. There's no doubt that Vince has improved but if you wanna go by stats, just pick any Tech QB. They get critized for being a product of a system but Vince isnt? Vince does the same thing that Alex Smith did with the zone read. I'm not a VOH or anything, I would love to have him. But people just need to be rational. There's no point in discussing this right now anyway. Wait til after the workouts and at least there will be something to base all of this speculation on.
Can you show me where Vick led the nation with his QB rating for an entire regular season? Unless you can, that argument is still valid.
Where did USC's defense rank compared to other bowl teams ? They gave up over 40 points to Fresno State and like 30 to Arizona State.
I remember Ward being a good passer. The original poster lumped all of these qbs together because they all happen to be black. They're all very different though.
