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Enough with this Vince Young jocking!

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by YaoMing, Jan 8, 2006.

  1. stevel

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    I am not sure you understand football. If you have a running QB, you keep them in the pocket. You do not do this by blitzing. If you blitz and don't get them you are screwed - ask USC. By the way USCs defense has some nice players, but they ranked 45th in yards allowed and 35th in points allowed, playing a WAC 10 schedule - terrible. USCs DEs did get near as they rushed upfield and as VY scooted by. This is not a contain rush. I think because USC has decent DEs they let them just play. I am betting they figured they could outscore UT which they almost did. Look VY was a TREMENDOUS college QB, and he has ALOT of upside. If you like him - good for you. However, you are kidding yourself if you think this guy is ready to play in the NFL right now. He could be an excellent QB, and he could be the next Arron Brooks. I also like how you throw in the Montana/Manning reference. While these guys may not have an Elway like arm, they can disect a defense like a surgeon and throw with incredible accuracy. VY has a LOOOOONNNNGGGG way to go in those two areas.
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    Uhh, I guess you've missed the other 100 posts I've made on VY, RB, and the draft..

    To not realize that VY's draft resume/hype is mostly made up from 2 rose bowl games is.. well.. you get the picture.
     
  3. crose

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    To not realize that the only reason VYs hype is just recently surfacing, because everyone thought he was staying put like he said prior to having the greatest college football game ever is.. well.. you get the picture.
     
  4. crose

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    did you even watch the rose bowl?

    I pretty sure that carrol would disagree with your last statement.
     
  5. aburttschell

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    Why, he didn't say that Vince couldn't hit a wide open tightend for 15 yards.
     
  6. thegary

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    and why was the tight end wide open?
     
  7. aburttschell

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    Because USC's defense sucks?
     
  8. DonnyMost

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    It's not like Bush said he was gone after this year, either.

    So under your premise.. well.. you get the picture.
     
  9. crose

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    the TEXANS sure as hell werent playing "BUSH BOWLS" because they thought VY AND reggie were coming out.
     
  10. crose

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    I know...he was only looking for an agent, while VY was saying that he was returning to UT.
     
  11. langal

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    WAC-10 schedule? How about that Big-12 schedule?

    USC rolled up that vaunted Texas defense like they were ASU or UCLA or UW or whatever. Before you bring up the Holiday Bowl - also remember the UCLA/Okla game.

    It is weird that the Holiday Bowl, which featured arguably the "second-bests" of both conferences was a totally different game. I was expecting some fireworks there too.

    It's not like Texas dominated the game. It could have gone either way - except for Vince Young. He proved without a doubt on that last drive that he was the best college football player in the country.

    I do agree with a lot of your other points.
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    That's very true.. but how many really thought VY would stay put if UT went undefeated and he finished top 3 in heisman voting?

    It's very rare a player would stay under those conditions.

    A players word at the beginning of the year isn't worth much at the end of it.. things change.

    Bush started agent shopping around the time he locked up the heisman, no?

    I think at the beginning of the year, both Bush and VY were thinking they would be sticking around for another year.. but one heisman trophy and one rose bowl win later, they're both packing their bags for the NFL.
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    No, I'm not. :p
     
  14. Desert Scar

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    You don't think USC tried to keep him in the pocket? VY tore them apart throwing when they sat back. When they blited he killed them running. USC had 1st day draft prospects at DE and VY made them look hapless. Carroll tried it all. You seem to forgot he had more yards throwing than running. Over the season he was 3-1 throwing to running yards with the best passing efficiency in college football.

    Yes, maybe Carroll's strategy was to tire Young out making him waste all that energy running and passing for all those yards for 4 quarters. Maybe they didn't get the message in to let VY score with 1 minute left to give their offense the last chance. If Carroll, the most despected defensive mind in college football, with at least a handfull of first day NFL prospects who had underformed all year, indeed through up his hands on trying to stop Young what does that say about Young.

    I never said he is ready to dominate the NFL next year. As I have pointed out in a number of post John Elway--the highest rated QB prospect ever-- struggled many years in the NFL.

    VY deserves being compared to Elway/Montana/Peyton every bit as he deserves to be compared to Arron Brooks.

    What we do know is for 20+ games VY have dissected the best college defenses (coaching and talent), including SC, OU, Ohio State and Michigan. He did with his legs, strength, mental toughness, decision making and arm. That is a combination of athleticism, poise and leadership in the biggest stage I have personally have not seen out of college player (over 25 years consistent watching). I have heard Montana showed that kind of poise and leadership in the Cotton Bowl but I don't remember it. I have seen Bo Jackson and Vick show the kind of athleticism I saw. I have never seen them together.

    But you are right, it is just college ball. VY will have major adjustments at the next level. But in pressure faced and opposing talent isn't like jumping from Alcorn State or Central Florida either.
     
  15. sums41

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    yea!! Charlie Ward is like an assistant coach for the Rockets!!

    /ok i'll leave now, sorry.
    //don't know crap about football
    ///watches real football (soccer)
    //// ok im leaving now for real, sorry.
     
  16. aburttschell

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    Desert,


    USC never sat back. They tried to throw everything at Vince, but couldn't get past the offensive line. They threw LB, CB, and Safety blitz' at them, and Texas picked it up every time. Also USC would crash their ends enabling Young to run his ass off. That's one thing A&M did that stopped Young in his tracks. They rushed the middle, but kept contain with the ends.
     
  17. NIKEstrad

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    Leinart did.

    And for a player at UT for Mack Brown, it's a different story as well. I think Brown's had only 1 other player leave early.
     
  18. IC2000

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    He was always coming out
     
  19. Cohen

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    Uh..Vince?
     
  20. SamFisher

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    VY has a lot of support, with a few bitter exceptions, by HOUSTON football fans, rather than solely Longhorn backers. That much is obvious.

    I'm still waiting for the results of your Akili Smith film study, btw.
     

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