Have you seen anyone effectively contain rush VY? You're talking about committing 2 of your defenders on every play, when the other team's offense can block, pass, and rush effectively...to try to contain a QB who almost never is stopped by one, two or even three tacklers?
AJ Hawk did quite well. Again, I am talking about VY in the NFL where the LBs are a whole nother animal. Ask Vick about Urlacher. If watched the Falcons play the Bears you'll know what I mean.
vince proved what he could do against good linebackers at Ohio St. Oh yeah, that game was on the road. Ohio St is a top five team. I really don't understand what you guys want him to prove. He can't prove anymore, that's why he's coming out.
the whole, "what can he do against NFL comp" argument is irrelevant. it applies to everyone. to me, the questions about what can he do against NFL comp apply to lienart even more so. the pac-10 really isn't known for its defenses. you've had a lot of pac-10 qbs flop. the only advantage Lienart has over young is that he operated a pro style offense. the spread option was taylored made for young. we may never see another qb be as successfull in that offense. but it is what it is, a college offense, just like the wishbone.
Did you guys hear in the post game show that Kirk Herbstreet was talking to Marcus Allen and Anthony Munoz, and they were all gushing about Vince and how he is more than ready for the NFL. Kirk asked Marcus if Vince was REALLY ready...and apparently Marcus rolled his eyes and said....oh hell yes, he is MORE than ready now. Those guys know a thing or two about football...right? DD
There are football people who still believe David Carr can be a productive QB in the NFL. Are they right, too?
nothing against carr. i like him, i do, i just can't let vince go elsewhere and watch him excel, that would be terrible. we are starting over, we absolutely suck balls. it is not carr's fault but we have to take this chance, we are all talking out of our asses as nobody, nobody, i mean nobody, can predict who will be greater, it is just a guessing game. the proof will be in the pudding.
I dove into this controversy because it helps me not think about the Rockets and the D&D is a little tired at the moment. Anyone think Vince Young knows he's going to the Titans? Maybe Vince's people are telling him that the Texans are locked on Bush, NO locked on Leinart and Vince is going to be with his 'bud' Steve.
I agree with that. I don't care who they take, honestly. I think either one of them could end up helping this team ultimately succeed. I'll argue for and against both sides until April. Only one thing is for certain. It will be the longest 3 months EVER.
Bush might just be a smaller, weaker, Michael Vick who can't throw the ball. Bush is not a sure thing. He doesn't carry 235LBs of muscle to go with the speed (for example Bo Jackson). He didn't carry it 35 times in college when everybody knew he was going to get it (Dorsett, Faulk, Sanders). He didn't get a lot of his yards between the tackles (see all the above). He is a great prospect with great athleticsm, but there are major concerns about how his size and frame for a workhorse RB, his durability in one of the positions where durability is most tested, and about how well his open field game will translate to the NFL. halfbreed, I was with you Bush was overated as a biggest force in college football and as a prospect BEFORE the Rose Bowl. So I thinkw e should have permission. These are interesting comments. -Pete Carroll is considered the finest defensive mind in college football and probably spent 2 months preparing. He has 1st day draft prospects mixed in the DL and secondary. Just as OU, Ohio State and Michigan last year found out since VY took the reins, there wasn't a way to stop VY even with the best division 1 level talent. This doesn't mean they could not stop him with pro level talent throughout, but the next best thing (elite D1 talent with pro level coaches) not only failed, but failed miserably. -Texas couldn't just scheme for Reggie Bush. Leinart will be a top 3 pick. White will be a 1st rounder. Jarrett will be a high first rounder in 07. Bryd will be a 1st day pick if not 1st rounder. The OL has first day picks throughout. For Bush, Texas generally had 1 LB or a safety spying him or covering out of the backfield. In the running game they made sure to protect on the corner and make him try to go inside, and this was typically effective. I am sure Texas tried to have one of the guys they thought could do well on him in the passing game, but it certainly wasn't changing the nature of the defense for Bush. -I watched the game a second time to break it down further. Some of you I wonder if you watched it at all. USC tried 7-8 DBs and blitzing 2-3 them to slow VY. USC had 1st day draft prospects defensive ends near VY, and sometimes with their hands on him, and didn't bring him down. The amount of change USC did to address VY was monumental compared with the adjustments UT did for Bush. USC tried everything and it still didn't change the outcome where VY still proved to be by far the most dominant athlete and player on the field. -As far arm strength, most of what I heard is that VY has a little better arm than Leinart. Both players arms looked plenty strong to me for pro success. Peyton Manning and Joe Montana don't have the greatest arms either and they did or have done pretty well in the NFL.
agreed, but let me ask you this: all things being equal, knowing we are not nostradamas, isn't it safer going with the hometown boy who just brought our beloved horns their first title in 36 years with one of the greatest clutch performances in the history of college football rather than a californian goldenboy scatback who ran roughshod over weak college defenses?
Nice unbiased prospective Longhorn. BTW the Texans aren't the University of Texas' NFL team. I understand that you have man-love for Vince Young, but not every Texans fan is a longhorn fan. Some are people who just want the team to get better. Frankly, looking at the two players, neither fill a serious need. Vince definitely doesn't, and Bush really doesn't either. If we're trying to adress the needs of the team, then we should trade down and get Mario Williams, or A.J. Hawke along with a first rounder for next year.
although you can also be plural, i was not talking to YOU. but i'm glad you responded, i like it when you get feisty. grrr.
That's exactly why I am opposed to taking Bush #1 (over Vince at least). If I am paying all that money for a RB, I expect him to be on the field to get me 1-2 crucial yards. That is needed often, and I don't think it's too much to ask for. I do think converting a 4th and 28 or a hail mary is though....
I think by having Reggie Bush in the game during that situation, would make it easier to pick up the first down. For example, during the 4th quarter of the USC/UT when USC went for it on 4th and 2, they would have had a better chance to convert if Bush was in there. Then Texas would have been forced to spy him. Thus taking a little pressure off the middle where White was headed.
watching the game on replay, it looks to me like bush wasn't in on the 3rd down play before it or the 2nd down play before that.
