I find it funny when people use the merchandise and attendance argument when saying why VY should be picked. A week ago this was the same stuff that was being used as to why they should take Bush.
Oh good one person supports Vince for number 1. And Best college QB is a lot different than the NFL Hall of Fame. Vince actually put up numbers in that setting worthy of that discussion, Bush hasn't played a down in pro football.
IC2000 was arguing at the time that Bush was a sure thing for the NFL. He's not. You cannot argue a RB's excellence when it's a bunch of weak Pac10 Ds. Once he finally met a defense with consistent speed and good tackling, they effectively shut down his effectiveness. W/o an awesome O line and other serious offensive threats, he would not have even had the 1 26 yarder late in the game. I.e., he could not swing a championship college game w/o a ton of help. Personally, I think he will do well in the NFL, but it's not a given. He'll be up against fast corners and d backs every week.
You could see it in Lienart eyes, especially after the interception (should have been picked off 3 times), that the UT defense was unlike anything he'd seen all year or last. The whole USC offense looked suprised. Reggie couldn't break off his 50+ yards around the ends coz UT's db were quick to get the angle and cut him off. The WR weren't left wide open like in other games. Then he gets sacked 3 times. To his credit though they adjusted in the second half and then it was on. Thats why that game is classic. Just 2 heaveywieghts going back and forth, regardless of some of the fumbles & no calls. The Irony though was that Lienart should have thrown 3 interception. The one that bounced off Ross(or Griffin) in the endzone, the one Griffin snatched in the air, and the one Kelson came down with. But VY had zero int and only once, during the final drive, did he come close to getting picked off. Yet VY gets criticized for his passing. ... oh and they had Darnell Bing in the secondary who ESPN dubbed the next Ronnie Lott. So thier secondary was above average.
I was on record before the Rose Bowl stating that the Texans shouldn't take Reggie Bush. Do I have permission to talk about VY now?
Oh God, you do not get it. Of course everyone was saying that about Bush a week ago. BECAUSE NO ONE THOUGHT VINCE YOUNG WAS COMING OUT. BTW, if we take Bush and we have a 4th and 2 in a game in mid-October, I will have just one question. Will Bush get the coach Gatorade or water? I think Pete Carroll preferred water.
honestly, if you can't see the difference between bush and young for the Texans from a marketing standpoint, i don't know what else to say.
IC2000, An honest question..... Do you think that the Texans would get more fans with Reggie Bush or Vince Young? DD
Great post. Of course despite this folks are saying that VY will be the one who won't be able to adjust his game to NFL defenses.
With his current passing abilities and delivery, actually all you would have to do is contain rush or spy him with a fast LB (see AJ Hawk in the OSU game) and run a cover 2. I would force him to throw anyplace other than over the middle, where his lack or arm strength would be exposed. It would not be very difficult at his current level. He is probably 2 years away from being a NFL QB.
Sounds like if Pete Carroll had thought it through they would have shut Vince Young down. ...reminds me of a knock on Earl Campbell coming out- ' he ran over college players but he won't be able to do that in the NFL' I think the biggest problem Vince Young will have is what coaching he gets and what schemes he is told to run. If an offense is built to his strengths he will definately put pressure on NFL defenses.
Actually, more like ' he knocked-out college players...' I still have not seen anything that approches his running in college.
I was shocked that Pete did not contain rush VY. He consistently had his DEs charge up field and VY simply side stepped them. I know USC had some pretty good DEs and maybe he thought they could handle VY. VY has repeated shown that he will beat you everyday with his feet. Also, it is important to note 2 things from my example. 1. USC's defense is terrible. They won most of their games out scoring people. 2. My example was discussing VY in the NFL where most of the LBs run extremely well as do most of the DEs etc..
The thing that excites me most about Vince is if he can make the transition, he has the heart to become a Marino/Elway/Montana...bringing back teams from the 4th quarter deficit in big games (that sounded so droll...yet we all know what I speak of). Some players you just have to watch play, even when it's not your team. It make the game a blast to watch and there have been very few in recent years. For me, Favre is about the only one I can think of at the moment. Vince is a 'd*mn, what next? kinda player. (It would be excellent if VY and Leinart ended up in a Superbowl someday.)
If we have a hail mary at the end of the game, or a fourth and 28 what will VY do? That is not Reggie Bush's game and that is a retarted argument. Obviously Wells would get the ball or we would throw it to Bush.
True- Problem Ohio St. had and everyone else that played against V Young is that he made pass plays and put pressure on the defense to try to get pressure on him. In the NFL V Young will make pass plays if he is not pressured. His passing is soooooooooo over looked. It is what separates him from Vick. He made as many plays passing this season as running. He made big pass plays all night against USC. He beat Ohio St. with his passing. We can debate this till the cows come home, but we will have a better time in a few years looking back- it will be very interesting. (can you believe Portland drafted Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan ) I can't wait to see what the Texans do.
