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Enough is Enought trade steve or get a passing point guard

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sup123, Jan 11, 2004.

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  1. Charvo

    Charvo Member

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    You do know they fronted Maurice too, right? Guards didn't get the ball to Maurice too when he wanted it in the post.
     
  2. nigma2000

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    I agree with you trading steve would be a disaster, unless we get a superstar in return. This is definetly not Yao's team, I look at Yao diferently now and see him more of a Michael Olowakandi type of player that is tall and gets some rebounds and points here and there but with much more talent of course, until if he really ever develops.

    The offense should not go through Yao at all at this time. He should not be the first or second scoring option on the team now, but neither should cuttino be either.

    That is why steve should be moved at the 2 and return to his previous all star performances of the past seasons. I was with the same people who called for steve's head but he needs to stay. Mobley to the bench and an animal power forward needs to be obtained

    We will all be crying if steve gets traded to another team and lights up the scoreboards for 35 and 40's a night and contribute greatly to that new team because the other team utilized him correctly. When is the Rockets going to realize this and turn Steve in to Iverson 2.

    Tinker with the line up you got, Van Gundy!
     
  3. Xenogears

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    I think if Francis got traded, you'd see the rox competing with the likes of the spurs, mavs, queens and lakers at the top of the standings.
     
  4. ihatehyena

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    No passing to Yao is not the most impressive things for me, although I'm a YOF. I don't understand why the remain 4 players couldn't find open when Yao was double teamed.
     
  5. Luis Alvarez

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    :eek: ARE ALL OF YALL FULL OF IT'S NOT ONLY STEVE'S FAULT THAT WERE LOSING GAMES ITS THE WHOLE TEAMS FAULT THEIR MAKING POOR DECISIONS IN SHOT SELECTION AND PASS SELECTION. AND IF WE WANT A BETTER PG WHY DONT WE TRADE FOR JASON TERRY I HEARD HE WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE COACHING STEFF IN ATLANTA AND HE WANTS TO BE TRADED
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    If it was all the guards' fault, why did JVG bench Yao instead of at least one of them?
     
  7. Rocket River

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    so basically you have never like steve and nothing will change you mind. . . .

    now that that has been clear up . . .we can go on

    Rocket River
     
  8. Rocket River

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    just by trading steve? :rolleyes:

    Rocket River
     
  9. Rockets2K

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    I ddnt say he was being truely doubled...kinda a quasi-double..

    But you are correct on a couple of points, when the opponents are using more than one man to negate Yao, they rest of the team must find the open man and make them pay. Unfortunately, they have been most inconsistent in hitting their shots. :(
    and when he does get the ball..he needs to go up aggressive and stuff it into their face.

    If Yao could just get down the proper technique to sealoff his man...then he would demand the types of defensive adjustments that would leave a man wideopen for the shot. One of the biggest improvements that I have seen from this team besides the defense is the amount of passes..swinging the ball around the perimeter is much more commonplace than last year..now if they could just do something with the ball when they get it, we would be set.
     
  10. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Dear Luis,

    Locate the following on your keyboard:

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    Increase your BBS apparent IQ by a factor of two: press the key again.
     
  11. sup123

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    if he would gain some passing skills, learn not to dribble in to double teams, shoot over 39%, and not get turnover after turnover i wouldnt mind to have him on this team. I have seen improvemnts in some games but then he keeps going back to him old self. So i have given up on him.
     
  12. AMS

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    He had a much better shooting percentage last year, so your incoherent posts about trading francis are basically ramblings about not wanting steve on the team no matter what. His old self is not a 39% shooter. That is his new JVG stuff

    When he was in charge his Percentage was closer to 42-45%.:rolleyes:
     
  13. B-Bob

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    Okay, so people will quibble with the shooting percentage... but your main points (turnover machine, subpar passing skills for a pg, and decision making) are fairly valid. I actually really like Steve, but it's fair enough to be depressed by the points you mention. I don't think he will ever have a good ratio of assists to turnovers. Period. We've waited long enough for that.
     
  14. sup123

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    it is not just b/c of shooting percant; dont u see my other 3 points in my post and he has had those problems the whole time not just this season.
     
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    I dont think these steve supporters see the problem here. Francis cannot run this offense. And I dont expect him to. He's a shoot first pass second guard. However this isn't his fault, he's being forced to under JVG to change his ways and were using him to his weaknesses. We need quicker and more timely passing from our backcourt, we need crisp passing and someone to set up players for a shot in the opportune time for them to make it. We need good decision making, we need to bring the ball quicker up the court having more time on the shot clock to run our offense. We need someone to know their role and not get into personal 1v1 confrontations with an opposing player. All of these weaknesses are revealed when steve is running this offense at point, and IMO can be solved by bringing in a pure point.

    I would hate to see francis go, he's such a good scorer and would love to see him flourish as a shooting guard. Other than francis the players that have the trade value to bring in a pure point are mobley, cato, and moT. Of these 3 players I think we could live without mobley. The pros outweight the cons heavily when trading mobley for a pure point. And if we can get a tall PG even better.
     
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    I completely agree with most that is being said:

    - SF is great player
    - SF has incredible physical qualities

    Unfortunately he is not a point guard, and also he is not a team player. Of course he had great numbers before JVM because he was hooging and shooting the ball all the time. We could come back to that style of play and keep going to the lottery every year. That was proved already, so we know SF can not carry this team to the playoffs under his leadership.

    We need to trade SF, and give the leadership to YAO. He is not a leader yet, but he will be forced to learn once that SF is out :mad:
     
  17. ragingFire

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    I don't understand your saying "truly double team".
    How truly do you want it to be?

    The Celtics had 1 man fronted Yao and 1 behind him BEFORE he got the ball every time he went to the low post and the ball went to the wing.

    The lob pass would not have worked.
    What we needed was for the others to play 4 against 3 and beat the Celtics. Cato threw up a 20 footer that missed the rim and gave up. MoT got a few open looks inside the key, made a couple, missed a couple. I think we should have had more.

    On the 2nd half (by design, it seems) Yao only played 8 mins, did not even attempt to post but maybe once. I don't think he even touched the ball in the second half much less shoot.
     

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