Enough is Enought trade steve or get a passing point guard

This team doesn't lack offensive options. Last I checked, MoT and Cat are terriffic scorers, and despite his struggles, Yao Ming is still good for 15 pts on 8 or so shots as well. JJ used to be nothing BUT a scorer.

How badly does this team need Francis?

Do you seriously believe that our offensive output can POSSIBLY go down if we trade him?

Oh, and if we trade him for a passing PG, then we'll probably also get back another player - a scorer probably - to offset the difference.

Let's trade Francis for people who will immediately fit into the system.

Let's bring Rashard Lewis back home.

Can Steve Francis net us Rashard Lewis and Luke Ridnour? I would love to make that deal.

 

Thank god someone finally found enough balls to bash Steve Francis it's been a long time coming but in your face you ballhog!

 

If only.

'T'will probably take until the offseason to reevaluate this group. CD wouldn't give up on Eggie; would that change knowing that Eggie cost us dearly? Steve does have a devoted following, but if you could replace him with a real player (Marion? Brand? AK47/Arroyo?) wouldn't you?

 

I would make those trades, but I think it would be a betetr idea to bring home a Houston product. Rashard would be perfect. T.J. Ford is great too, but he plays faster than Yao can handle.

I would pursue Rashard Lewis. If they don't want to throw in Ridnour, I'd also do it with Antonio Daniels or better yet Brent Barry. Our defense would suffer a bit at the 3, but it would improve in a much more essential area - PG (this is if we get Daniels).

 

indeed, if there's one thing that's been sorely missing from the GARM, it's steve francis bashing.

one problem with the "we have so many scorers theory" is that until the last few games jj has been throwing up bricks at a prodigious pace. damn near every shot he takes is wide open and he still doesn't hit a high percentage after shooting 40+% on 3's the last 2 years on vastly different teams (miami/sac). same thing with piat. career 40% 3 pt shooter and he can't hit the broad side of a barn right now. of course a lot of it's moot when cato is on the floor and we play 4 on 5.


oh, and we definitely need a real player like brand. i mean ****, he's been on a team that almost won 33 games one year.


and i still like my idea of no posting within an hour of the end of a game. or maybe just have a separate "bash the players" sticky thread for each loss to save thread starting.

 

HE had 6 To's when you started this thread. So you probably checked teh box score then started the thread.

 

Boston did the same thing Seattle did, just penetrate a little and work it around the top for an open 3 point shot.

We should have gone to a zone.

DD

 

One thing I haven't understood about Gundy: why does he never go to a zone?

Oh yeah...Steve Francis needs to be traded...I'd sure love to see Yao try to pull the team by himself.

Edit- If you're going to blame anyone, blame JJax. Sure he had a good game, but those 2 fouls that cost us 5 pts from Pierce at the line were pretty bad too, no? We lost by 4...if he hadn't given those fouls, we would have won!

See how that works? you can basically pin a loss on any miniscule thing if you try hard enough.

 

yep, it was all tierre browns fault. If he would have played better last year, then we would have won a few more games and been to the playoffs. Then we would have had Rudy T, and the same team this year. Then we would have traded Glen Rice for a better player like say Q Rich, and we would have had more options to go to this game, and in the end we wouldnt have lost because of that JJ foul, because he wouldnt have been here... HEy this is fun

 

Its to be expected! When Yao Ming is not involved in the Game like to-night. The Guards just dont know how to pass the ball to Yao Ming when he is being fronted or covered, even though Yao Ming calls for the ball the Mobes and Franchise Show must go on, so they ignore him. Yao Ming comes down the court to set up, the first thing the Point Guard does is pass or move the ball to the opposite side.

 

adeelsiddiqui

You really have become one of the more enjoyable newcomer posters...although I only precede you by a few months...

 

Im tired of people blaming steve, Yao is the problem, tonight against boston he was a non factor, he is very dedicated to the Chineisse basketball team, which is not a bad thing, he is proud to represent his country, but the thing is that he doesn't seem to put any effort on the court when he plays for the rockets, he seems tired and can't post up against weaker and shorter centers, he definetly has the talent, but he is going to have to choose between the NBA, or his national team, cuz apperantly he can't do both, so steve is not the problem.

 

is that sarcasm? or are you ingorant?

 

Comments like those Make ignoring the Calc teacher in class, while posting on CF.net, that much more enjoyable, and it also makes not doing countless hours of HW much more worthwile

 

This team doesn't have the passers with the skills to make that overhead lob pass. It's a tough pass. That's why I've said this team needs to get a good passer who isn't on training wheels in this department. Defenses can aggressively front Yao all the time without fear of a pass coming since they know the guards cannot lob the pass well. Even Maurice was fronted on defense when he wanted the ball in the post. The guards dared not throw a lob pass for fear of the pass being intercepted. I've always espoused the theory of having a good passer in order to utilize all the talent on the court, and today's game is a perfect illustration of this. I'd like to see the Rockets bring in a really good passer. I mean one who can deal with moving targets.

 

even if they had tryed to lob, Celts had another player cheating over to deny the lob.

credit the Celts with figuring out how to take Yao out of the game.
they didnt need guards to do it for them...until Yaio can figure out how to combat the front...he will continue to be a non factor.

 

I'm not so much angry about Steve and Cat denying Yao his touches the plays he is open and is in perfect position to score because I've sadly gotten used to that. What I was dissapointed in was the fact that JJ didn't get enough touches tonight. The guy was lights out on the floor tonight, and was draining 3 after 3. Cat more then Steve tonight opted towards taking low percentage hand in the face fading away 20 foot jump shots when they obviously shouldn't of shot it. Those shots and turnovers were momentum killers especially when we have a guy that's torching the Celts from the perimeter like JJ. I can understand Yao not being hot one night and not getting more touches but I can't understand why Cat and Steve struggle and have the green light to jack up difficult shots when there's obviously a hot player like JJ on the floor.

 

If Yao is truly demanding this much attention, then the rest of the team should be able to take over anyway.

The question is, why aren't they doing this? If teams are doubling Yao (I haven't seen him being truly double teamed), then why aren't we punishing it?

Yao needs to get the ball just once during these half-ass double teams, turn around, and stuff it right onto the player thats cheating on him with the fronting player watching. This will force the other team to throw a REALd ouble team at him, which will eventualy lead to open shots.

It all begins with Yao. Like Lebron, he needs to go through the experience of unsuccesfully carrying this team, so that when help arrives, he'll know when he can't score, and remember the few situations in which he should use the help. Right now, the process of learning to recognize the situations is tooooo damn slow.