Mainstream and paychecks=talent. You just don't get it. Wu-Tang is like that action movie where you check your brain at the door. The explosions sound good, but beneath it all, there is no substance. talent + mainstream exposure (millions of fans globaly) = Fat Paycheck immortal technique + 1000 fans (some Dj's) = Underground for a long time. No substance??? Do me a favor and listen to 36 chambers.
What's complex about well known conspiracy theories? Dudes like the GZA, Ghostface and Raekwon from Wu Tang have way more complex rhyme schemes than a decent rapper who forces his bars to rhyme. Want to know about complex lyrics/rhyme schemes, listen to Eyedea, Atmosphere, Kweli and Canibus etc. etc. Its funny how underground rap noobs listen to Technique's modern day interpretation of Oedipus Rex and think they discovered something uniquely profound. Immortal Technique is decent good. But his rhyme schemes are elementary. His technique is weak and his topics are esoteric but not brilliant.
...and I'm gonna post this again. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8iUWGhnqBxM&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8iUWGhnqBxM&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Immortal Technique...pfft.
He attacked her again because she released her new song... Obsessed... and he's not attacking the relationship... he's attacking the individuals themselves for them dissing him... individually... not as a couple. Hmm... so because I liked the diss song... now I love the rapper? I don't know what kind of logic that is... I was defending rap in general by saying that it doesn't work that way in the rap industry where you just let other people talk **** about you and then you just let it go.... that's how I was defending rap... This all started because you idiots started coming in here and derailing the thread...
Well.... that statement is not true. But what is true is... KingCheetah has a fierce hate for Eminem aka Slim Shady.
Force bars to rhyme? That is precisely what Wu does half the time when they throw words out simply because it rhymes, even though it makes no sense! My 5 yr old does that in the car. I guess I just prefer rhymes that make sense and might even provoke some thought. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I like the other guys you mention, particularly Eyedea. Another guy that I don't think gets enough credit is Chali 2na. His set at ACL last year with Galactic was amazing.
Yeah, so thousands of less talented musicians make fat paychecks because of millions of people that follow the latest trends in music and don't think for themselves. I find it hard to believe that you are one of those lemmings. Are you? Yes, they have absolutely no substance anymore. I have had 36 Chambers on CD since '93, so I've heard it plenty. It was an innovative sound for it's time, but Wu's work today shows that they have not grown as artists. They (along with countless other artists) will continue to put out crap because millions of fans don't demand more from them.
The sad thing is you have teenagers these days buying soulja boy and t pain crap over the lyrical GOD of mortal technique . Maybe he needs to grow as an artist, maybe.
Lyrically slaughter means to figurative destroy another person with their lyrics. In terms of overall technique, Big/Pac are not that great of lyricists. I mention Canibus alot but he has a "song" called "Poet Laureate Infinity". This "song" is 1000 lines and can stand on its own. But from the 1000 lines, the "song" is broken up into five 200 line verses (Verses A, B, C...). The rhyme scheme in Verse A matches exactly with Verse B, C, D, E. The emphasis of each respective word is similar and is structured so that you can mix the respective lines from each verse accordingly and have an "infinite" amount of songs. That's some brilliant stuff that I think is way beyond what Pac/Big brought to the table as far as lyricism is concert. But yeah. Whatevers.
Ummm yeah, I really hope you are kidding cuz otherwise I'm gonna go with "MiddleMan has lost all credibility when it comes to hip-hop" for $1000, Alex.
Okay. I take back some of what I said. Wu Tang, the group is not that great. But the individuals (GFK, Raekwon and the GZA in particular) are better than Immortal Technique. But Immortal Technique. I'll give him props for rapping about stuff that generally isn't rapped about. But he's not a revolutionary and he is not a good lyricist. I'd go so far to say he's a gimmick. His rhymes are elementary and his angry-yeller delivery is very one dimensional. And its more than just throwing a word in that rhymes. Tech phrases his sentences awkwardly to position a word to rhyme and often includes mild non-sequiturs that is reminiscent of the rapping boy band, LFO.
What is he talking about in this song? So far sounds like you look at the mona lisa. . . and then b*tch about the brush strokes and improper painting technique I have seen some folx who's Grammer, spelling and word phrases are perfect but they cannot tell a d*mn story . . . . . when folx use terms like LYRICAL SLAUGHTER that is what I think some guy turning 'cutesy inventive phrases' or as the Ghetto Boys would say TALKING LOUD . . . . SAYING NOTHING So . . that is why I need some to define it further for me Rocket River
The only way to settle this is for a freestyle battle between immortal technique vs any active members of the Wu.
kinda rambled there but... Its just exagerations about himself being a poet. Yeah he's not saying much; I was just pointing out his exemplary technique. Brushstrokes have names for a reason. When it comes down to the absolute best...technique is pretty important. When scholars analyze poems, its not just what they say that they look at. They look also look at the rhythm, rhyme, structure and all that poetic jibber jabber. Same goes with stories. What do you think they talk about in all those English/Roman/Greek Literature 101. Its a general term. Better rapper lyrically slaughters the weaker rapper. That's all I will say about that lol.
