Elton Brand is a career 20 and 10 guy who plays solid defense and is an very unselfish player. Jaric has the potential to be a very solid combo guard in this league. If a first round pick was included with the trade... I would do it in a heartbeat. I AM SO TIRED OF THIS UNDYING AFFECTION FOR YAO MING. How can anyone say that is is untouchable? By far Brand is a better player than Yao Ming right now and odds are he will be for a while. This trade would improve our rebounding and hence make us a better fact break team... utilizing the skills of Tmac, JJ, Boki and Sura on the break. I AM ALSO SO TIRED OF FOLKS WHO CAN'T DISCUSS IDEAS BASED ON THEIR MERIT OR LACK OF MERIT. Instead folks respond with "funny" little photos or "witty" remark instead of discussing the idea. Maybe the trade is a bad idea... but discuss why instead of being smart asses.
That is like saying Boki brings all slovanian fans to our toyoto center. Great logic. That should be our team goal... to bring fans but not win or improve.
we have more chance with yao than elton brand tmac came here for YAO not elton and why did tmac, an all star that knows alot about basketball would want to come to play with yao? because he knows that, with a big man that attracts double teams, it is easier for him sure.... elton brand does 20 and 10, does he do that in the playoffs? did he do 29 points and 10 something rebounds against shaq like yao did last year? NO! NOW HUSH!
is that really your logic? that tmac knows alot about basketball. my point is that Yao is overhyped and does not have the skills to handle being fronted and doubled teams... therefore making is game a non-factor at times. brand would bring toughness, better defense and frankly... better offense that Yao can bring nightly. does Yao have more potential? yes... but potential doesn't win games.
do you realize your role here? you are merely a common man that only has opinions. you do not have the vision of a coach, the experience of an NBA player, the eyes of a general manager to see that Yao Ming is valuable. You are a forum user, with the username dconover, a member of Clutchfans BBS.
do you realize your role here? you are merely a common man that only has opinions. you do not have the vision of a coach, the experience of an NBA player, the eyes of a general manager to see that elton brand is valuable. You are a forum user, with the username rich_argh, a member of Clutchfans BBS. it works both ways... that is the purpose of the formum... to exchange ideas.
You can say this is a great idea. He can say that is a very bad idea. Isn't this a good exchange of ideas?
sort of... but his response was that trading yao was bad because he brings "chinese people into the toyota center" and that "tmac knows basketball"... not what i would call a quality arguement. but then again... you are right. it is an exchange of ideas.
I think what he really tried to say is that Yao helps exploring the Chinese market. remember how Yao made the pre-season games world champion-like in China? $7,000 ticket for pre-season we're talking about. the realistic is if you're the owner you won't trade Yao for Brand, period.
Aside from the stupidity of trading Yao at this point.. Elton is not a center. You're tired of having a soft center? How about a 6-8 PF and...what, Padgett at the 5 spot? Mutombo surely can't play more than 25 mins per game without dying. Oh, we'll draft a Center next year, right? Mid to late first round.. considering a guy who went in the *lottery* last year (Araujo) can't get off the damn bench in Toronto, where they've begged for a center for their entire existence as a franchise. Therein lies the value of Yao. He is a true center with skills. Did you see what Dallas paid just to get Dampier, of all people? Even Nellie realized he couldn't get by with a piece of crap at that spot. Add the fact that Yao has the potential to be very good, and his value escalates, obviously. He may not be as good as Brand now, but there' still a very solid chance that he'll be around 18/10/1.5. If he can get that by being consistent, that (at the 5 spot) is just as good as Brand's current 20/8/2 from the PF spot. (Brand is also having a slightly down year, dropping his rebounds and upping his turnovers)
dconover - I think people grow tired of explaining the obvious - that's why they use pictures. But since you asked, this is the reply to Paul G: If you really wanted to trade Yao, you could do better than Brand. However, even if you got Garnett, we wouldn't be going very far in the playoffs with our current roster. It's going to take a little while to build up talent around our two stars. But why oh why would you trade someone who demands a double team for an above average PF who has never been the focus of an offense for an NBA team? Did I mention that he has never even been on a winning team? You mentioned running and fast break...well if you want to turn us into the Suns, you are going to have to do a lot better than just getting Jaric and Brand. Can you get us Steve Nash and Shawn Marion and Cato along with Brand? Then TMac can be just another cog. Look, you can go two ways in the NBA. One is to get a lot of talent in a bunch of different players and hope it all meshes together like the Pistons last year. The Rockets are a long way from that scenario - and the Pistons were the first team to make it work in the last dozen years (I think they still would have gotten beat by a healthy Laker or TWolves team). Or, you can concentrate your talent in a couple of really good players like Yao and TMac, or Shaq and Kobe, or Hakeem and well, mostly Hakeem. Then you get role players to surround them. This system is a lot easier to put together, providing that you have the star talent. The Rockets are a lot closer to the second model. Do you REALLY want to throw it all away?
Last power forward we got from LAC. *cough* MoTay *cough* No thanks on the trade idea. Ever since we traded Sam I believe that no one is untouchable, but Brand and Jaric for Yao - No thanx.
I would trade Yao and Lue for Brand, Wilcox, Simmons, and Kaman. I would probably make them throw in a first round draft choice or two.
So, we are the Houston Clippers with TMac instead of Maggette and still no PG and now no center. Oh, and let 's go ahead and add two more PFs to the pile we already have. If TMac wanted to play with these guys, he would have demanded a trade to the the Clippers. For those who want Yao traded, the fact that TMac (a top-five player and a superstar) demanded to play here TO play with Yao, says enough to me about Yao's value. Kaleidosky & Gutter Snipe said it perfectly.
Not a bad trade, but salaries dont match. You need to throw in Mo + Weatherspoon, which would kill the trade.
