Why wouldn't Philly just deal with Minnesota themselves and trade Brand and the #2 for Jefferson and Rubio?
Hi everyone, that's my first post, it's nice to be here. I would do this trade. But why don't take Cousins at #2? We have Kevin Martin on SG, so what we need is a backup for Yao (I think he will be playing next season about 20-25 min/game). Good offensive centers are rarer that good offensive sg and I think Cousins is the best prospect at c till 2005 draft. Brand played last season 19 games as a substitute (28,5MPG, 55%FG, 15PPG). Remember that's his first full season after contusion. In december 2009 Phila won with celitics (11 straight wins till that game), Brand was a 6th man, played 26min (7/12FG, 9/10FT, 23pt, 8rb, 2bl) and had a winning game tip-in. So he maybe is not an all-star anymore, but he still can play. If we still have #14 we can try to take a backup SG (I like JT but maybe there is a better SG at #14) like Xavier Henry (#14 pick via nbadraft.net, I think second best SG in this draft). The only question is - if we have PF: Scola/Brand and C: Yao/Cousins, what's with Hill. But maybe in case of contusion (Yao, Brand) it is nice to have one good guy more.
That's a good point, if they just want to get rid of salary. However they don't have a dominant inside presence and Jefferson is certainly that, plus they get a stud with Rubio. Then again they might want to stay with Jrue Holiday at point. I would be happy if we got that deal. Imagine: Yao / 14th pick / Hill Jefferson / Scola / Hill Ariza / Budinger Martin / Taylor Rubio / Brooks / Lowry Two impact starters in Jefferson and Rubio and championship caliber bench.
Ricky Rubio is not a better player than Brooks. Maybe with a few years of NBA experience, but certainly not next year.
Do we really need another wing player were stocked up .. Evan turner hasnt played a single NBA game yet shouldnt we wait before we place him ahead of Kevin Martin
I thought about this, but it will take a while before Turner is worth $10 million a year. Like 1-1/2 to 2 years.
No, but DM could equally be targeting Favors, and then you couldn't blame him. Consider, Favors measured 6'9 without shoes (6'10.5 with), has a no step max vertical of just under 12 feet (without stepping the dude can reach 12 feet), has one of the top wingspans, was solid on the bench and in agility and speed skills. His measurements are basically similar to Howards, and after turning 19 shortly after the draft, he will only be 6 month older than Dwight was when he was drafted. His offensive game is lacking polish (another similarity), but he played very efficiently, put up solid rebounding numbers (especially considering he played alongside Gani Lawal, another excellent rebounder), and averaged 2.1 blocks per game. This is not to discount Turner, whose stats are ridiculous (though somewhat inflated by his 36 mpg (out of 40 in college) and the lack of much other talent around him - he also average 4 turnovers a game, to show how much he was basically involved in every play for the Buckeyes) and could very well be the next Brandon Roy, but, as you say, frontcourt is more of an issue. If you did a deal like Jeffries, Battier, Andersen for #2, Brand, you'd have a LOT of frontcourt options - Yao, Scola, Brand, Hill, Favors, Hayes.
I think the #14 makes it a marginal trade for Minnesota, though that's not so important. You, or somebody, said the original trade would be irresistible for both Philly and Minnesota. Who's on NY's roster? About five players to whom the Knicks don't have obligations past this year. As for NY not getting their players, that's probably not important. If they can't get two players worth signing to max deals, they just sign players to one-year contracts, and not overpay. Even if they give up on the idea of signing two max players, or even one, if they don't take on bad contracts from here on out, they're in better position than most franchises. The original point was that NY would certainly be in the lottery in two years. I don't think they will be. And, even if they don't get any of the top four players, they will certainly get players to go there. It's New York. Especially if they show players that they are going to manage the team well from here on out. Dolan is not Sterling. He hired a good man in Walsh, and also in D'antoni, though we don't like D'antoni on this board. I think he was an idiot for not playing Hill, but he's well-respected around the league.
If you do this trade I think you have to balance out the salaries of Brand and Turner. I think its clear Brand can no longer play to his 15 to 18 million dollar salary. The Rox would have to be confident that Turner far outplays his rookie contract of roughly 3-4 million per year. Basically, you get both players for about 18 -20 million a year over the next three years. If Brand has anything left over the next two years, 14 ppg and 8 rpg, he isnt a total flop. Course that is a big if. If Turner can be like Brandon Roy he far exceeds his price tag. That may be worth the Brand contract especially if a proven Turner can allow them to flip Battier or Martin for a better SF. Plus, in that third season we have a giant expiring in Brand and we all know what Morey did with the giant expiring that was Tmac.
They can't say exactly when, but people always assume that a foreign player will come here within a few years. The Spannoulises of the world are rare. Llull's attitude, that he doesn't want to come here to sit on the bench, is about as stubborn as foreigners get about hesitating to come, and I bet that even that is just posturing. They all want to play in the big leagues. Philly gives up the #2 plus Brand for Llull, Bud, and expirings. I said this is a so-so deal for them, and I stick by that. It is not a great deal. As for Bud having star potential, I think that is stretching things.
Excellent point. Also, if you get a chance to sign Wall or Turner, you do it (or trade the pick or them for value), whether or not you have need at their positions.
If NY wants to add 2 max free agents and add a 3rd borderline star, they could trade Wilson Chandler and Eddy Curry to Philadelphia. They could still fill the rest of the roster with minimum level NBDL talent. They could have Lebron/Wade/Brand.
I can't see this happening. You're giving up a #2 overall pick in one of the best drafts we've seen in years and you're pretty much doing it to unload one contract? This could be a possible star for 2-3 years of one bad contract. I'm sure Morey will lowball since they seem desperate to get Elton off the books but it was smart of Morey to make the call. If we still had Tracy's horrid contract this would have been the best deal for us. Maybe we could have just taken on Dalembert and AI plus swap #1 picks with Philly in exchange for Tracy, fillers, and another draft pick in a few more years. But of course we and they had no idea they'd have the #2 pick at that time.
The trade doesn't even make sense for Philly. They will have only $36 mil in commited salary, after next season. Dalembert and Kapono have expiring contracts of about $20 mil. Philly would have one of the lowest payrolls at $36 mil before including rookie and free agent signings.
your talking about a possible star for 3 more years of a bad contract, not to mention a star type contract
