Disagree. This is a so-so deal for Philly, and a somewhat bad deal for Minny. They give up Rubio and the #4 to get the #2 and that 2012 NY pick, which is very iffy, and IMO, probably a late lottery pick or worse. You really think they'll give up Rubio to move up 2 spots, plus that NY pick, TWO YEARS FROM NOW?
I'm on the fence for this one. To get a player like Turner with upside very few draftees have might be worth the risk. Brand has a terrible contract, but he should be able to give us two solid years (if not one year and a half). Not great, but solid years. The 3rd year will hurt us but it will be a expiring contract. Also, don't forget we have Scola, and possibly Hill (if he doesn't get traded). A three man PF rotation might make things interesting. The key here is that we get a stud with more upside than Wall (IMO). The true risk is, will Turner be a star? If stars like Bosh, DWade, Lebron are not willing to come here, then how else to obtain them? We have to get them early. For the trade to work, I would trade Jefferies, Battier, Anderson, and maybe Jerome Taylor, but not our core. As I said before, The Rockets are not desperate nor should act like it. Philly is desperate to get rid of Brand's contract.
Three things, i think you put to much weight on Minnesota's love/need for rubio. first of all, they don't need rubio anymore, flynn (although from siberacuse) is a great young option at PG. second, the trade works because rubio doesn't want to go to minnesota. that's why minnesota is even considering shopping rubio, no? he won't play for them, its useless for them to keep him, they should instead use him as an asset. Plus, RB's scenario leaves the rockets with the option to send the 14th pick to Minnesota as well, if they are unsatisfied by what they're getting in return, though i'd be surprised if they were. they really need turner, and the knicks pick is probably the surest thing to a lottery pick in 2012 as you can come by in the nba today.
Whether Minnesota thinks they'll use him or not, he's a valuable asset. OK, maybe they want to trade him, but they want to get value. As for "the knicks pick is probably the surest thing to a lottery pick in 2012 as you can come by in the nba today," you're way off. First of all, even if you believe that pick, TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, is a lottery pick, you cannot be sure of this at all. You'd bet your house on this? I'm fairly sure they won't be in the lottery in two years. They are not hamstrung by any contracts whatsoever; they cannot have any more flexibility than they have. They have a blank slate. In the East, they'd have to be total boobs to not get out of the lottery in two years. They aren't total boobs. Isaiah isn't there any more. Their president is Donnie Moore, who, while not Jerry West, has a pretty decent history.
you still concede that rubio won't go there regardless and that they are set at PG for the future. as for the knicks pick, tell me.. if you were to go out and get a 2012 1st rder today, which team would you run to, in an attempt to ensure that it's a high pick? the nets? no, not with that owner. the clippers? no, they have the nucleus and management for success later. the wizards? i'm sure john wall has something to say about that. you run to the knicks. SINCE WHEN IS DONNIE WALSH NOT A "BOOB"? hey, remember when they handed us jordan hill? nuff said.
If you take Brand's atrocious contract, you want a sure thing in return. And no draft pick, no matter how high, is a sure thing. It's taken three years, but Morey has trimmed all the fat from our roster. He isn't about to take an unnecessary risk like this.
1) You can't ensure that a draft pick 2 years away will be high. 2) Actually, I would pick the Clippers, offhand. I don't think they have a better nucleus now than they always have. As far as their management, they are still owned by Donald Sterling, and they're list of coaches for their current vacancy (that right there gives you confidence, doesn't it?), they are not aiming very high. 3) NY gave us Jordan Hill, but they ended up able to sign 2 max players. They got there in two years, which is pretty damned impressive, considering where they were. We're ready to give Hill up for Bosh; NY can sign TWO max players.
He was a great player, he's a corpse now. His per 36 min averages last year were 7.2 Rebounds 1.3 Blocks 48% FG I see this move if the rockets had some other deals to compliment this one but straight up, i don't think I like it, and it's not even my money. I could only imagine how Les feels. And for a comparison, Jordan Hill's per 36 min average in Houston 11.0 Rebounds 1.2 Blocks 53% FG
yeah...acquiring an anchor like brand's contract is not a morey-like move. morey prefers flexibility over anything and getting brand kills flexibility and gives you a logjam at the 4. it just doesn't make sense for the rox to do this.
Brand's Per 36 numbers aren't bad for a backup making $5 million a year. He'd fall off in three years; in four, we'd have to sign Turner to his big contract.
If he made 5 million i'd take him in a heartbeat 10-11 $ 16 Million 11-12 $ 17 Million 12-13 $ 18 Million If you traded Ariza and drafted Evan Turner that would take some of the sting out of the last 2 years, but that is still and extra 10 million a year your on the hook for. If the rockets are positive Turner, or possibly Favors are gonna be superstars you could do the deal, but only if your getting stars.
I'd really like to do this deal, but I guess blowing off $13 million a year wouldn't be that wise. Still, it will be interesting to see what kind of deal Philly ends up making. Brand and #2 for half expiring contracts, half bad deals? Either they can find somebody to give them contracts that aren't too bad, or they'll get more flexible, and maybe we can deal with them.
If Minny does not bite on RB's plan, I would think there's a good chance that we find a partner in nets as well? NJ really needs to have one of wall/turner in order to attract FAs this summer. We really need NJ to attract as much top tier FAs this summer as possible, so NY gets as few as possible. There, motivation for both side is done, and I'm sure we could figure out some reasonable deals so we land Cousins, compensation from NJ, and Brand...
Houston acquires Brand and the number two and then trades the number two (plus filler) for Jefferson and Little Ricky?
For those of you who think Brand's contract is too big, let's phrase this trade in a different sense. Since the Rockets won't really give up too much value in the trade, you can look at it almost as 2 FA signings. You sign Turner as a FA for Brand's contract + 4th year cheap option + 5th year RFA status. You sign Brand as a FA for the rookie #2 salary for the next 3 years. Obviously, the answer depends on how much you like Turner. But then again, it's not as if the Rockets would make this trade if they don't like Turner. So if he is the next Brandon Roy, we're not overpaying for anything.
but NY WON'T sign two max players. please, go look at who is left on NY's roster, you think anyone wants to sign there? plus, all indications are that NY is trailing significantly in the chase for LeBron and the chase for Wade. either way, point is, the t-wolves would certainly say yes to such a trade, and if they didn't the 14th pick would certainly be enough to entice them, which you once again fail to address. you are dismissed, okcthunder.
What? Its not like Minny has stashed Rubio in Spain and they can call him here anytime. Rubio signed a two year contract and will only be elgible here 2 years from now. Plus, will he actually come here for rookie contract money? Or will he wait out a few more years and sign a more lucrative contract? In short Rubio is just as iffy as that NY pick two years from now. In giving up Rubio Minny gets to move up to get the player they really want, and a possible lottery pick arriving at the time they can get Rubio. If that pick becomes a lottery pick Minny ends up in a very good position. If not then they did a lateral move at worst. If you really want a good deal for them we can throw in our first round 2012 pick as well, that way in 2012 gets 3 picks to rebuild their roster. For Philly its a great deal. Who'll give them a solid player with star potential like Bud and expirings for Brand's contract and the number 2? It enables them to get more value then they can get usually. I hope the Rox fo is reading this thread, its pretty similar to their Tmac trade where we make out like Bandits but somehow everybody wins.
