Elon's biggest problem @ Twitter - he's not funny at tweeting

Then bragging.....? ..... Ignorant about what conservatives did to sabotage ACA....?

By all means.... tell us why you decided to bring it up?

 

It's just a common theme of weak minded people.... constantly "trying to own/destroy".

It's like racists.... they don't have any accolades or achievements of their own so they latch onto someone else. Exact samething with the Elon-stans.

 

follow the thread. I am not spelling it out for you

 

Because you cam’t….. now run along…

 

Not sure whom you are arguing with lol

 

Wait - you still think ACA was ineffective? Millions of more people covered and costs rising slower than they did prior to ACA?

Do you think without ACA that healthcare costs would magically have just stayed the same?

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/#Total national health expenditures as a percent of Gross Domestic Product, 1970-2022




It's one thing to be wrong on everything you believe. It's another level of stupid to double down on it 10 years later when there's actual data proving how wrong you were. And that's *with* the GOP doing as much as they can to kill it (but both parties are the same, right?). There's a reason the GOP has stopped even mentioning ACA anymore in their campaigns.

 

Not joining your argument, but just wondering if anyone can explain what brought the expenditure down as percentage of GDP in 2020 when previously, it was basically a straight line up?

 

Healthcare is not affordable if you do not qualify for government assistance. Yes, those like you claimed bringing more people into the pool would make it more affordable. People dont need fancy graphs to illustrate this.

 

I have no idea either.

I think we can all agree we need Elon to fix healthcare too. So in a sense, I suppose this topic fits in the thread.

 

lol…… and we’ve reached the point to where you have to cower,

 

Lol…. Which is the long way of saying you are “wrong”.

 

Their ignorance and cowardice is boundless.

 

(not sure how ACA got into this Musky thread)

One of the main goals of the ACA was to "bend the curve"—that is, to slow the rapid growth in healthcare spending in the US. It seems to have achieved that to some extent. However, healthcare costs in the US remain significantly higher per capita than in any other well-off country. Much more needs to be done.

https://www.vumc.org/health-policy/affordable-care-act-effect-on-health-care-costs

The analysis examines key policy reforms included in the ACA, including Medicaid insurance coverage expansion, Medicare payment reforms and reforms of private insurance markets. There have been broad studies and estimates about the law’s effect on health care expenditures nationally but few definitive sources related to health spending since 2010.

The study, co-authored with Associate Professor of health policy John Graves, PhD, highlights areas where savings have been found including lower Medicare payment rates and slower growth in areas where the insurance exchanges are more competitive.

"While the ACA has made a dent, what also stands out to us is that further actions will be required in all sectors and at multiple levels of government to maintain the relatively slow rates of growth we have seen since passage of the ACA," Graves said.

The greatest savings, however, may be due to value-based payment initiatives, which aim to create incentives for physicians and hospitals to deliver high-quality care while keeping costs in check.

“In our opinion, the increased attention paid to value-based payment by non-Medicare payers—namely states and private insurers—is likely a key contributor to the slower rate of per capita cost growth that we’ve seen over the past decade,” the study said.

“Disentangling the exact effects of a major piece of legislation from underlying trends is nearly impossible, but it is also nearly impossible to deny that the ACA has had far-reaching cost effects on the entire health care industry,” Buntin and Graves wrote. “The most politically salient examples of high health care costs — including those due to the introduction of new drugs and out-of-network billing — are virtually unrelated to the ACA, while cost growth for health services in Medicare, Medicaid, and even Marketplace plans seems to be settling into a ‘new normal’ slower rate.”

 

I think space ghost is saying he thinks health care needs to be nationalized since republicans sabotaged ACA...

 

According to the same original link, it's just because GDP artificially grew because of inflation, and healthcare spending didn't quite keep up.

 

I have advocated for a form of nationalized Healthcare. The government should pay for the education, subsidize equipment in order to bring cheaper alternatives to preventative Healthcare. Blood work should be almost no cost. Small health clinics that employee nurses only should be setup for affordable checkups. Big companies should have on staff nursing for their employees.

But you know, let's make this a R vs D thing instead. Republicans are not the only ones who accomplish little meaningful

 

Because they are capped. What some here don't understand is that these companies are going to make up the loss somewhere. And it's usually in patient care. Some networks are better than others. However good doctors and staff are hard to find.

 

I was a proponent of the ACA when it became law, and to extent still am, but the real winner of the ACA was not the patients nor the physicians, but the major health care organizations who consolidated in power over the last decade. All the "non-profit" health care organizations bought up all the smaller, independent practices to consolidate the market. Every major city has 1-2 major health care organizations that are the only viable games left in town, usually one academic and one non-profit, but both a run very similarly. In smaller towns, it's just one of the two organizations who bought the existing hospital and rebranded it. Or it's private equity running roughshod over everyone.

Health care today is a bunch of NPs working for an academic affiliated hospital groups to make them more money because physicians cost too much.

 

Did republicans sabotage ACA?