The male a Even sillier are the economic and elite schooled male allies of Warren like Sam. They also agree that Bernie Bro’s (ordinary Men and women of a more diversity than Warren could attract) as being a bigger problem than the actual problemas of ordinary Americans. Sorry if Bernie supporters trigger you. I recommend finding a safe space watching Rachel Maddie reruns and a long bubble bath before you get up to serve the corporate elite tomorrow
Our capitalism has been built and is thriving thanks to both of those demographics, so, personally, I don't hate either of them. And what do you think? Do you think that liberals hate the rich enough to seemingly be willing to break the government and ignore immoral deeds to continue promoting those policies (as Trump's steady support from the current republican base implies when it comes to their hate of immigrants)?
Fascists—Nationalists—Conservatives—Moderates—Liberals—Progressives/Socialists—Communists Don’t tell me what happened to the right can’t happen to the left. At best it’s naivety. At worst it’s hubris. AOC is the mirror image of tea party, and therefore, Democrats are at best 3-5 years removed from Republicans’ current insanity.
It's going to keep on getting worse if these trends are sustained: News flash: Donald Trump hasn't been president for the past 50 years. He's merely a symptom of slowly creeping desperation that will continue to worsen as time moves a long of these trends are sustained.
I think you can throw the sexist issue out the window. There's a whole lot of us who liked another female candidate better. Klobuchar , Tulsi , Kamala (ugh) , Marianne Williamson , Kirsten Gillibrand. There's a whole lot who are just more moderate and didn't care for her policy idea's. Those that are left of Warren are mostly Bernie supporters .... he's the original Jolt Cola and she was a zero calorie version. She appealed to a very narrow lane , that's the bottom line. She couldn't be the anyone but Bernie candidate either being as far left as she is - particularly M4A. I really doubt the establishment or their donors want anything to do with that.
The sexism isn't that people don't like females. It's that her being tough and attacking candidates caused people to think she was shrill because she was a female whereas if a male did that, they would think he was a take-charge, tough candidate who held others accountable. I'm not saying that was or wasn't the main reason she didn't do well. There were definitely other reasons in play. And people had their own reasons for disliking her. However, the sexism that affected Warren wasn't that people just aren't ready for any female, it was that she's held to a different standard regarding her attacks than male candidates.
I can't buy that .... her campaign was faltering long before her attack on Bloomberg - she probably should have done that to Bernie sometime before and maybe she's still in this thing. Playing nice and not being Trump didn't work out well for her. I think it was the lack of answers on the M4A issue , the candidate of plans had no answers to the tough questions - along with the "fakeness" and falsehoods she presented - heritage - father - pregnancy , a bunch of stretching the truth at best. Something that always annoyed the hell out of me was her saying I met so and so poor soul on the campaign trail .... bla bla bla sob story - I'm going to fight for that person. It came off as fake to me because it was so routine - every debate , several town halls. I hit the mute button on more than one occasion ....
Yeah, as I said, I'm not saying whether it was or wasn't the reason her campaign faltered. I was merely saying that someone supporting other female candidates doesn't prevent Warren from suffering from criticism that was sexist. Even sexism was one of the reasons, it certainly wasn't the only reason.
News flash: Donald Trump hasn't been president for the past 50 years. He's merely a symptom of slowly creeping desperation that will continue to worsen as time moves a long of these trends are sustained.[/QUOTE] This is why it is important to vote for Sanders. Biden was in insturmental in at least 40 years of the changes that brought us Donald Trump. Two important things to do this election 1) Get rid of Trump and 2) Get rid of the policies that brought us Trump and "yes" even the Obama-BIDEN years did virtually nothing to change the conditions leading to Trump.
Once again I’m distressed at how Democratic voters are so eager to throw a two term Democratic president under the bus. I suppose Trump was so buoyed by Obama Biden policies explains why he wants to dismantle everything Obama did. But let’s talk about the conditions that got us Trump. I posted a thread a while back of “Questions from a Trump supporter” if you note most of those questions were regarding abortion, immigration, and diversity. Talking to Trump supporters their culture is under siege and they as white male Christians are under attack by the forces of political correctness and diversity. Many of them actually benefitted from the ACA expansion of Medicare and Medicaid that still doesn’t stop them from believing that Democrats are evil, a direct quote from a Trump supporting friend. The economic dislocations brought about by the information economy and globalization are a factor in Trump’s support those pale in comparison to cultural issues. If you think Sanders can address that good luck.
I will absolutely tell you that you are wrong. The tendency of the right to Authoritarianism was there long before Trump and the fake grass roots Tea Party Movement brought to you by Koch industries. The structural things that have made the Democrats a more diverse big tent party also make it less susceptible to strongmen. See the last 2 weeks for a true life example. Your comparison is a false equivalency.
I'm distressed that anybody would equate Boomer TrapHouseChapo as a representative sample of a "Democratic voter"
Immigration and diversity is merely a scapegoat. Those scapegoats can only be so effective depending on the economic outlook of the common American. You still don't understand that what you are describing are merely still symptoms. Blaming migrants wouldn't be effective or be considered a winning strategy by GOP politicans if these 50 year economic trends I've posted didn't exist. It ALL stems from the coalescing of wealth and stagnation of household income for 90 percent of Americans while their household debt burden increased. When that trend happens over a 50 year period, you are going to create economic anxiety. When economic anxiety occurs, dubious politicians weaponize it to blame "the other" because it's easy low hanging fruit.
I’m telling you what I’m hearing directly from Trump supporters. It’s no secret as many Trump supporters here in Clutchfans say the same thing. If they talk about the economy they pretty much say it’s great. This is a weakness with Sanders argument. It is Marxist in nature, and I don’t mean because he said some nice things about Fidel Castro. It’s Marxist that it is almost completely material In nature and centered around the idea of the class struggle. There is something to that but what drives Trump support is much more than a material argument. Consider the protests over Confederate statues, the gun rights rallies, that the biggest applause lines at Trump rallies are going after illegals. Trump support is far more cultural than it is material. you can choose to believe it is just scapegoating and just ignore what Trump supporters actually say. You can even say that Trump supporters are just dumb and rather than articulate that they really want a workers revolution instead of a wall. Good luck convincing them of that.
Cultural arguments work when economic anxiety seeps in. That is my point. No where did I imply that "Trump supporters are dumb". In fact you are implying that they are inherently racist and xenophobic from the core of their very nature where I'm arguing that economic anxiety makes it easier to use anti-immigration rhetoric. The vast majority of Trump supporters who brag about the economy do so out of a "sports team," mentality. Just like how peoppe here dismiss Biden's congestive decline as fake or some Bernie supporters claim he has no weaknesses. And for the vast majority of them, when they brag about the economy, they aren't speaking in personal terms. They are speaking about GDP growth and the unemployment rate. They could have the same exact struggles living pay check to pay check as they did a decade ago but since their bubbles news media tells them everyday that Trump is a maestro of the economy, they will believe it. We all have Trump supporting friends. I know quite a few from my four years as a Marine infantry rifleman which disproportionately draws thought wing leaning people.
And what do your Trump supporting friends tell you? I make no bones or apologies about saying that Trump supporters are motivated by cultural issues of immigration, abortion and etc.. because they is what they say. You’re mKing the argument that you actually don’t think that is what they are saying. That implies that you know better than them what actually motivates them. That’s the type of thinking that comes from being in a bubble. Also if we’re talking trends I’ll point out that Nativism and xenophobia have been around for much longer than 50 years.
ND I'm saying that nativism and xenophobia in the present only works in terms of winning the White House and Congress when there is economic anxiety. How out of touch for you have to be to believe all Americans who are susceptible to xenophobic rhetoric from politicians comes purely from their core essense rather than just the circumstances of their lives? History time and again, has shown that authoritarian xenophobic regimes swoop in during times of economic strife.
Again what are the Trump supporters you know telling you? Are they saying they are more concerned about the wealth gap, economic dislocations, and corporate greed or are they talking about cultural issues?
Consider the basic question of why evangelicals support Trump so much even though he doesn’t embody any evangelical values. They support him because he is giving them judges who side with them in the culture war. When I talk about Marxist thinking this has been a problem that has bedeviled liberal thinking for a long time. We frequently hear the argument about why do rural and working class people vote against their economic self interest, the “What’s wrong with Kansas” question. What we’re seeing in election after election is that while economics are important cultural issues play a very strong roll even in times of economic week being. The Gingrich Revolution swept in during an expansion and in Texas even as Texas economy has done very well Republicans were able to strengthen their grip. I’m not saying that economic issues don’t play a role but at the same time it’s a mistake to ignore how strong cultural issues are especially if that is what they are saying.
