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Elizabeth Warren appreciation thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Mar 5, 2020.

  1. tinman

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    Elon cares
    He’s about humanity
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    lol. Warren's gotcha scores an own goal

     
  3. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    Mic drop. Pocahonky got owned so bad even General Custer might shed a tear for her. Lol
    Side bar: Army soldier massacred Native American.
     
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    Rules only apply to Generals, not to the person in charge of them. Weird
     
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    Warren schooled Hegseth. Trump's sec. Of Defense embarrassed.

     
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    Nothing's weird when you have a psychopath putting these people in positions of power
     
  7. tinman

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    Woke-a-hontis
     
  8. dobro1229

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    It’s weird that Trig thinks this is a gotcha for Warren when in reality if you watch the segment he comes off way worse the way she frames it as him being their boss and how he could have lower standards than the Generals.

    You have to be a special breed of douchebag to watch this guy speak for 10 seconds and think this is who I want representing duty, honor, constitution, etc. etc. with this countries esteemed military. But then again they did vote for a convicted criminal for president so yeah.

    He’s obviously getting through though cause MAGA is making it clear those republican senators will be bullied to no end if they don’t and they are all cowards.

    Side note: I watched only a few minutes and good Lord…. Quite literally….. like every two seconds the Republicans were preaching a sermon up there. Jesus this Jesus that. Obviously as a way to try and whitewash everything about this guy. Real Christians should be appalled by that kind of blasphemy using religion as a way to try to win political wars and shield unchristian character. They think people are stupid enough to where you can be a drunk, rape women, and overall be a terrible person but if you say Jesus enough times when they are held accountable people will be fooled.

    Pretty sad state of affairs for the blasphemous Republicans.
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    you're right, Elizabeth Warren comes off great here. my mistake
     
  10. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    You’re the only one that thinks Pocaitis schooled Hegseth. Lol
     
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    I swear these dumbass woke clowns like this dobro1229 and fb are so far gone that I’m amazed they can function on a day to day basis.
     
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    How do we know that they do?
    I mean other than this Rockets talk board.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    Sitting across the table from this Chad douchebag yeah... she comes across as Churchill with the IQ of Einstein. The fact that you think Pete Hegseth is the one coming off well in this hearing really says alot about you. Have fun finding Jonathan Turley articles in a few months trying to argue out the back of mouth how what Hegseth authorized is somehow maybe kind of legal if you squint the right way....

    ... Because we all know that's the only reason why Hegseth was the guy chosen here. A freaking 04 ranking major in the National Guard (keep in mind Jim Mattis is an 010). The only reason he's there is because when he was asked in this hearing if he would obey an illegal order, he refused to say no. He's only there to turn the United States Military into a political arm of a deranged corrupt criminal president.

    Congratulations OS Trig. I know you are so proud of yourself, and think you are so funny. You think you are "owning the libs" here when really you are just further exposing yourself.
     
  14. Os Trigonum

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    related

    https://thefederalist.com/2025/01/15/hegseth-can-make-the-pentagon-great-again-by-ending-the-defense-contractor-gravy-train/

    Hegseth Can Make The Pentagon Great Again By Ending The Defense Contractor Gravy Train
    Making the Department of Defense great again starts with making the habit of trading senior military honors for dollars shameful.
    BY: CYNICAL PUBLIUS
    JANUARY 15, 2025

    Amid the Democrat senatorial clown show of Tuesday’s secretary of defense confirmation hearings, one confrontation between Pete Hegseth and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., resonated particularly strongly with me as a retired Army officer.

    It was when Warren challenged Hegseth with his past writings that “generals should be banned from working for the defense industry for 10 years.” Warren tried to put Hegseth in a twist by asserting that he would not follow his own rule, but Hegseth defused the situation masterfully by replying, “I’m not a general, senator.

    Laughter ensued, but this exchange had me thinking deeply about one of the primary issues I believe plagues the Department of Defense in 2025, that being the revolving door between our military’s senior ranks and the military-industrial complex.

    It is generally understood that one of Hegseth’s biggest challenges will be to unwind the most pernicious effects of the military-industrial complex, from cost overruns, to decades-long delays in weapons development, to reliance on in-theater contractor support, to mismatches between requirements and capabilities, to every other vice of the world of defense acquisition. Hegseth faces the Herculean task of cleaning out the Augean Stables at the Pentagon, but there is also a little-known and related cultural paradigm Hegseth must shatter if he is to succeed in this arena.

    My personal experiences inform this analysis. I retired from the Army as a full colonel. My career was a mix of peacetime and wartime assignments, often in tactical units that deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, but also serving repeatedly in the fearsome budget wars of the Pentagon and Congress. After an incredibly fulfilling military career, I decided I wanted to move in an entirely different direction, and I went to law school after retirement, becoming a corporate lawyer (I know, what was I thinking?!). I left the military and the defense industry completely behind me and never looked back. Nevertheless, I had many friends who stayed in service and made flag rank, and I kept in touch with most of them.

    My service taught me an extremely important lesson. There is a cultural expectation in our modern military that if you make flag rank (i.e., a general or an admiral, depending on your service) you have hit the jackpot, and that pinning on those stars of flag rank automatically means you have joined the defense contractor “gravy train.” Upon your retirement from active duty, you will be entertaining dozens of lucrative offers from defense contractors, making you wealthy with limitless financial opportunities. I know this because I have had these conversations with those same friends, and there was even a time in my military career when I did not find that sentiment offensive because such enrichment was culturally considered normal, just, and fair. After all, you spent all those years sacrificing for your country, why shouldn’t you be able to cash in on your success?

    As a civilian lawyer, I have had these same friends call me upon retirement, asking for advice on sitting on boards of directors, negotiating employment or consulting contracts, receiving stock options, etc. — all the perks of being on the gravy train of defense contracting. My friends and former comrades in arms were so excited — FINALLY, they were getting the reward they thought they had earned and were fully entitled to.

    I now know there is something deeply wrong with this. In fact, I first detected this cultural rot when I was serving in the Army staff as a colonel and — after the statutory cooling-off period — a former general officer boss tried to sell his new company’s wares to me. He even expected me to call him “sir.” I am not exaggerating when I say this nauseated me, but such is the military-industrial complex.

    Let me reiterate what I said above. THIS IS A CULTURAL ISSUE. The mindset of the modern, senior U.S. military officer (and increasingly, very senior NCOs) is that obtaining a lucrative defense sector job post-retirement is a reasonable, normal, and expected perk, and there is literally nothing wrong with it, legally or ethically.

    NOBODY SEES A PROBLEM WITH THIS. That is the problem.

    There are, of course, formal Department of Defense ethics rules that seek to limit the effects of the revolving door. However, these rules are fungible and waivable and subject to the whims of Department of Defense lawyers (who are often sympathetic to their former bosses because, hey, the gravy train applies to lawyers too). The idea of “selling to your former agency” is subject to interpretation, and “cooling-off periods” allow for rather rapid reintegration into the military-industrial complex roller coaster. No, what I speak of here is much less a legal issue than a fundamental cultural issue.
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  15. Os Trigonum

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    conclusion

    Hegseth needs to break this cultural paradigm that actively encourages the wasteful expenditure of taxpayer dollars as a reward for senior military service. Somehow, we need to make it unseemly and highly distasteful for very senior officers to trade on their military honors for riches in a corrupt system of defense procurement. This practice needs to be widely seen as a form of legal prostitution — legal, yes, but would you bring your new girlfriend home to Mother?

    That cultural mind shift will be a fundamental issue in solving the seemingly intractable problem of the military-industrial complex. Something has to give, and it begins and ends with making the habit of trading service for dollars a shameful one.

    At this point, I am certain innumerable readers are internally protesting that military experience is an essential element of the defense industry and a fundamental requirement in procuring weapons systems that are effective on the modern battlefield. I completely agree with this sentiment. Only former warriors can tell civilian engineers what does and does not work in combat.

    But we do not need generals and admirals to do this. Former O-4s, O-5s, and E-7s can do this work. In fact, those more junior officers and NCOs are better qualified than flag officers because most flag officers are generationally removed from the realities of the tactical modern battlefield. Instead, those flag officers are recruited solely for their influence, their ability to persuade former subordinates, and their iPhone contact lists — not because of their technical, tactical, or managerial skills. This is influence-peddling, plain and simple, and it is no different than the habits of the worst K Street lobbyists.

    I sincerely hope Pete Hegseth is confirmed as secretary of defense. I believe he is the pugnacious, “dirty boots” warrior-outsider that the corrupt defense establishment desperately needs. One of his greatest challenges will be to reform defense procurement systems, and a key component of that reform will be to shift our senior military leaders away from the desirability of the post-retirement, defense contractor gravy train.

    Let’s make the Department of Defense great again, and that starts with making the habit of trading senior military honors for dollars shameful.


    Cynical Publius is the nom de plume of a retired U.S. Army colonel and practicing attorney. The Federalist verifies the identity of its pseudonymous authors. You can follow Cynical Publius on X at @CynicalPublius.

     
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    the dizzying height of gaslighting.


    OT, does the Federalist understand that the habitual Drunkard Hegseth has never run an organization / group that has more thant 100 team members?

     
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    you've convinced me
     
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    She's only 75; a young buck. Give her a few more years and she'll be old and wisened enough to be elected president.
     
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    Like Jeremy Lin schooling the Portland trailblazers in the playoffs

    @Os Trigonum
     
  20. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    Read one of their posts right below you. They write nonsense all the time and actually believe in what they wrote and that leads me to question their normal day to day function. A normal person can distinguish between black and white, right and wrong, good and evil.
     

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