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Elite PGs vs the Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Mar 15, 2009.

  1. t_mac1

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    and that's what i said. he can only improve on the "offensive" side of he ball in terms of "scoring" knowing the different shot selections and how to attack different defenses. his defense will always be a liability and he'll "always" be whupped by the elite PGs. and i don't see how he can improve his playmaking. but that's just me. i think he'd make a great 6th man though b/c he provides instant offense.

    i think the chauncey comparison is a little off b/c chauncey is a bigger and more physical guard. he always had good defense. the thing is he didn't understand the NBA game at first and it took him a while. but defense and playmaking were his calling card when he came to detroit. and it still is in denver (and why denver is playing better).
     
  2. ibm

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    in real life i like to gamble. and i trade stocks for a living. if someone has a bet with me that brooks in a few years will become a tony parker, i'd bet no.
     
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    jason kidd was an MVP level player at the time leading the nets to the finals. i don't think that's a diss (but more of a compliment b/c they're trading a young'in for a perennial all-nba and MVP candidate at the time and that was just his 2nd or 3rd year in the L if i remember correctly.

    tell me when the suns want aaron brooks for steve nash this year or next yr.
     
  4. ibm

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    exactly right. and there is a reason why billups was picked #3.

    look, brooks has his strength and is still learning so he needs time. i understand that. my question is, why let him learn now while lowry is clearly better as a pg?

    if adelman thinks aaron has a higher ceiling, let him learn after the season.
     
  5. t_mac1

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    i think adelman loves aaron's potential as an offensive player and rightfully so. he's a very gifted scorer. but again, he's simply a scorer. and that kind of weapon off the bench would be dynamite.

    the reason i prefer lowry as a starter b/c he has a PG mindset and we need to utilize yao and scola as much as possible b/c they're our most efficient scorers. when lowry comes in the game, he looks to pass first and second and then score. sure his TOs have been an issue at times, but the mindset is right. and b/c of that (how he plays off other guys and within the offense), he's shooting 48% since becoming a rocket.

    aaron is a better player than brooks no doubt. but we're talking about how well each compliments our main guys and lowry is a better fit at this time b/c of what he brings to the table.
     
  6. tinman

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    It has to be more than Rick Adelman who's high on Brooks, it has to be Morey and the rest of the Rockets to have faith in him as a starter.

    Is Brooks year 2 better than Brooks year 1? Yes.
     
  7. ibm

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    was it beer or was it jack daniels? :cool:

    right now as a pg - ab<kl
    right now as a player overall - ab=kl (by and large)
    in the future as a pg - ab<kl
    in the future as a player - who knows?

    just my 2 cents.
     
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    Yeah 90-95. I was one of Woolridge first recruits. Great place, it has changed alot. i cant even find some of the old strahan photos.
     
  9. ibm

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    was it beer or was it jack daniels? :cool:

    right now as a pg - ab < kl
    right now as a player overall - ab = kl (by and large)
    in the future as a pg - ab < kl
    in the future as a player - who knows?

    just my 2 cents.
     
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    confidence-wise he is. but he's also playing more minutes. if you extrapolate his stats and efficiency, it's pretty much the same.
     
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    morey said in the presser on lowry's first day here that he'd let adelman decide which one to start at the 1. do you think that's a hint?
     
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    he's playing against starters as opposed to the 2nd units of each team now.
    its going to take time, but I'm not expecting to out play parker now.

    Yao year 1, remember that?
     
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    What about nash? Go look and see what he did his 1st 3 yrs. Terrel brandon is another guy. hell, go look at devin harris. i'm not sold on lowry being better anything than brooks honestly. I like lowry and think hes a good player, i just think adelman will play the guy thats playing better. Against Utah, lowry had 0 assist in 22 mins, but he was attacking which go the rockets back in the game. Tonight, the rox were in a rut until brooks turned it up and started attacking.
     
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    Yeah and Dorsey is nba ready too.
     
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    I think Morey is actually high on Lowry, for he's interested in him for 3 years. RA is high on Brooks, and he's not high on big man post plays, as he never had that.

    What I fear most is not that they are really high on AB now, but rather they are mailing in the season and posing as if they really think AB is better than Rafer for this team.
     
  16. ibm

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    time will tell. it's all opinions.

    i just wonder if adelman is completely unbiased on this one, since he hand-picked aaron in the draft.
     
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    we all know since morey and adelman took over, trading rafer was priority #1.
     
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    we'll agree to disagree. i just feel with yao and scola in the game, you need a PG willing to make the pass first and second before getting his own stuff.

    1) steve nash was also a pass-first PG. his offense eventually came. but he always had that playmaking ability.

    2) terrell brandon - another point guard with a pass first mentality and then his offense developed.

    3) devin harris is the closest comparison to brooks, but c'mon harris' height and physicality are something brooks will never have. and that's something to devin's advantage.

    like i said, brooks started "attacking" can be done as the first guy off the bench too. it's like wafer was the only one we had going v. the lakers in the 2nd half and a big reason we're in it. those guys are "energizer bunnies" that are great fits off the bench. that is all.
     
  19. leebigez

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    Here is Mr 2 time MVP

    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 5
    1996-97 22 PHO NBA 65 2 10.5 1.1 2.7 .423 0.4 0.8 .418 0.6 0.8 .824 0.2 0.7 1.0 2.1 0.3 0.0 1.0 1.4 3.3
    1998-99 24 DAL NBA 40 40 31.7 2.9 7.9 .363 1.2 3.3 .374 1.0 1.2 .826 0.8 2.1 2.9 5.5 0.9 0.1 2.1 2.5 7.9
    1999-00 25 DAL NBA 56 27 27.4 3.1 6.5 .477 1.1 2.7 .403 1.3 1.5 .882 0.6 1.6 2.2 4.9 0.7 0.1 1.8 2.2 8.6
    1997-98 23 PHO NBA 76 9 21.9 3.5 7.7 .459 1.1 2.6 .415 1.0 1.1 .860 0.4 1.7 2.1 3.4 0.8 0.1 1.3 1.9 9.1

    Are those mvp type numbers?

    Here is KJ

    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
    1987-88 21 TOT NBA 80 28 24.0 3.4 7.5 .461 0.1 0.3 .208 2.2 2.6 .839 0.5 1.9 2.4 5.5 1.3 0.3 1.8 1.9 9.2
    1987-88 21 CLE NBA 52 3 20.1 2.8 6.0 .460 0.0 0.2 .222 1.8 2.2 .821 0.2 1.2 1.4 3.7 1.2 0.3 1.6 1.8 7.3
    1987-88 21 PHO NBA 28 25 31.2 4.7 10.2 .463 0.1 0.5 .200 3.0 3.5 .859 0.9 3.3 4.3 8.7 1.5 0.3 2.3 2.1 12.6

    Terrell Brandon

    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
    1991-92 21 CLE NBA 82 9 19.6 3.1 7.3 .419 0.0 0.3 .043 1.2 1.5 .806 0.6 1.4 2.0 3.9 1.0 0.3 1.7 1.3 7.4
    1992-93 22 CLE NBA 82 8 19.8 3.6 7.6 .478 0.2 0.5 .310 1.4 1.7 .825 0.5 1.7 2.2 3.7 1.0 0.3 1.3 1.5 8.8
    1993-94 23 CLE NBA 73 10 21.2 3.2 7.5 .420 0.1 0.4 .219 1.9 2.2 .858 0.5 1.7 2.2 3.8 1.2 0.2 1.5 1.5 8.3
    1994-95 24 CLE NBA 67 41 29.3 5.1 11.4 .448 0.7 1.8 .397 2.4 2.8 .855 0.5 2.3 2.8 5.4 1.6 0.2 2.1 1.8 13.3

    Mr. TP

    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
    2001-02 19 SAS NBA 77 72 29.4 3.5 8.3 .419 0.8 2.5 .323 1.4 2.1 .675 0.4 2.1 2.6 4.3 1.2 0.1 2.0 2.2 9.2
    2002-03 20 SAS NBA 82 82 33.8 5.9 12.7 .464 1.0 3.0 .337 2.7 3.5 .755 0.4 2.2 2.6 5.3 0.9 0.0 2.4 2.1 15.5
    2003-04 21 SAS NBA 75 75 34.4 5.6 12.6 .447 0.8 2.7 .312 2.5 3.6 .702 0.6 2.6 3.2 5.5 0.8 0.1 2.4 2.0 14.7

    All those guys were different players from yr 1-3. Why should we expect anything different?
     
  20. leebigez

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    Just because he didnt have any assist, doesnt mean he didn't pass yao the ball. I'm willing to bet he passed yao the ball half the time on yao scores, but since yao was backing it in, you dont get credit with a assist. Scola was the same tonight. they isoed him on bonner, and it was the backup drill. The werent leaving scola to double yao. Scola plays of scraps of what he gets off the yao double. When the spurs didnt double, scola couldnt score on kurt thomas and on the other end gooden was killing him.
     

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