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Election 2008

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Sep 17, 2008.

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  1. mc mark

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    Obama plans on dropping $90 million on TV ads going up to the election.
     
  2. A_3PO

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    Some of us were concerned that Obama would try to coast to November 4th (instead of closing hard) when he regained the lead. So much for that mistaken idea.

    I don't think it's possible, but if Obama can keep his momentum from now to election day (or at least prevent a McCain surge), this election could go down in history for many reasons. Right now, it seems like Obama's handlers are prepared for anything that McCain does/says and they already have a plan to blast it right back at him. It has to be demoralizing for McCain's people. Excepting 2000, GOP presidential candidates are usually better at closing in the final days before the vote but this may be an exception. The complete crumbling of McCain's campaign is a sight to behold. Truly a "perfect storm".

    I'm sure the 30 minute television buy will be a well-done, perhaps non-partisan closing pitch with an appeal to the nation as a whole.
     
  3. mc mark

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    This is a man who beat the democratic establishment for the nomination. No one thought a nobody with a funny name had a snowball’s chance in hell to get as far as he has. Did you really think they didn't think this through and not have an endgame?

    David Axelrod has been brilliant.

    :)
     
  4. Deckard

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    I should hope so! Gotta spend that cash and leave nothing to chance.
     
  5. A_3PO

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    When do Obama and McCain have to report their September campaign donations? It looks like the rumors of Obama being way under plan were completely false. If he did $66 million in August and his supporters got energized after McCain took the lead in the polls in early September, I'm thinking Obama may have hit $100 million.
     
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    Maybe the left overs could go to help the middle class pay for some of their mortgages.

    Shoot, other laws are being bent lately... why stop now?
     
  7. rimrocker

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    That's the whole point.
     
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    Blowing it on TV ads? How does that help the middle income families of America? Encourage TV watching?
     
  9. Cannonball

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    I'm sure you'd love it if Obama just stopped campaigning and gave all his money away.

    Besides, it would seem to me that there might be rules in place that say money donated to a campaign has to be spent on the campaign.
     
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    I'm very much kidding. ;)
     
  11. mc mark

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    I'm sure the campaign is waiting for the opportune moment to drop that bomb!

    :D
     
  12. A_3PO

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    You know things are bad when Palin gets sent on a bus tour of West Virginia. The tour of Pennsylvania is a complete waste of time. McCain may as well pull out just like he did in Michigan.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/palin-schedules-bus-tour-of-west-virginia/

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    October 10, 2008
    Palin schedules bus tour of West Virginia
    Posted: 01:12 PM ET

    From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

    Gov. Palin will embark on a bus tour Sunday through West Virginia

    CLEVELAND, Ohio (CNN) — In what may be another signal that the troubled economy is forcing John McCain’s campaign to play electoral map defense, Sarah Palin has scheduled a bus tour for Sunday through West Virginia, a state that’s been leaning red throughout this presidential race.

    Palin had already scheduled a bus tour of Pennsylvania on Saturday, but she will now repeat that act on Sunday by making various unannounced stops throughout West Virginia, culminating in a campaign event in southeast Ohio. It’s a swing geographically reminiscent of Hillary Clinton’s effort during the Democratic primary to court white working class voters in Appalachia. Clinton won the West Virginia primary over Barack Obama by a whopping 67-26 margin.

    Surveys of West Virginia voters this year have consistently favored McCain, but state polls have closed in recent weeks as the global financial crisis has dominated the headlines. A CNN/Time poll conducted in late September showed McCain with a slight 50-46 lead over Obama, and an ARG poll released this week suggested Obama had rocketed to an eight-point over his Republican rival.

    Last week, Palin made a pair of last-minute campaign stops in Omaha, Nebraska and Greenville, North Carolina – two regions that until recently were considered safe for McCain.

    Palin on Friday seemed to acknowledge that time is running out for her campaign to shift the momentum of the race.

    “Things are getting kind of, not tense, but things are getting — as things come down to the wire obviously, things are getting more important in terms of message, and in terms of opportunity we have to lay out the contrast between the two tickets,” she told donors in Cincinnati.
     
  13. B-Bob

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    Yeah, and then there's the report coming out of Alaska. Probably better to have her just spend some time in the mountains.
     
  14. A_3PO

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    The latest poll from Newsweek has it 52-41 Obama. What I find hard to believe about their results is they show McCain still leading Obama 45-43 among independents, which I think is obviously incorrect. Because of the wild swings, I don't give much credibility to Newsweek's presidential polls.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/163339

    Pulling Away
    Obama opens a double-digit lead in new NEWSWEEK poll

    Jonathan Darman
    NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
    The global financial meltdown has caused a dramatic shift in the 2008 presidential race, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. With four weeks left in the presidential campaign, Barack Obama now leads John McCain by double digits, 52 percent to 41 percent among registered voters—a marked shift from the last NEWSWEEK poll, conducted one month ago, when the two candidates were tied at 46 percent.

    Underlying Obama's surge in support: An historic boiling over of dissatisfaction with the status quo. An astounding 86 percent of voters now say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States, while a mere 10 percent say they are satisfied. That's the highest wrong track/right track ratio ever recorded in the NEWSWEEK poll.

    For context on just how toxic these numbers could be for the Republic party, consider that in October, 2006, weeks before the Democrats swept control of both houses of Congress, only 61 percent of voters expressed dissatisfaction. Twenty-five percent of voters say they approve of the job President Bush is doing in the White House, a record low for any president in the NEWSWEEK poll and close to the historic low-approval rating of 22 percent the Gallup poll recorded for President Truman, in 1952. Voters are crying out for change and, for now, believe that the Democratic presidential candidate has a greater likelihood of delivering it. Asked which ticket they thought was most likely to bring about change if elected, voters said Obama-Biden over McCain-Palin 52 percent to 37 percent. A month ago, Obama-Biden led by only five points, 47 percent to 42 percent.

    Obama appears to have broadened his coalition of support and made inroads with groups that have not reliably embraced him over the course of the long presidential campaign. He now leads McCain among both men (54 percent to 40 percent) and women (50 percent to 41 percent). He now wins every age group of voters—including those over 65 years of age, who back him over McCain 49 to 43 percent. Supporters of Hillary Clinton, as many as a fifth of whom had at one point told pollsters they'd support McCain over Obama, now back the Democratic nominee 88 percent to 7 percent.

    One topic, the economy, is clearly driving Obama's spike. Asked which issue was most important in determining their vote, 48 percent of those surveyed said the economy. (The next highest was taxes and government and spending, which 10 percent of voters identified as their number one issue; only 8 percent named the Iraq war as their most important issue.) Asked which candidate would better handle a variety of issues, voters chose Obama over McCain in every single category with the exception of national security and terrorism; McCain still leads on that front 50 percent to 40 percent. Obama now leads McCain on the economy and jobs (54 percent to 35 percent); on the Iraq war (47 percent to 46 percent); on energy policy and gas prices (53 percent to 36 percent); on health care (56 percent to 30 percent); on taxes and government spending (50 percent to 39 percent); on the financial problems of Wall Street and the mortgage crisis (50 percent to 34 percent); and on issues like abortion, guns and same-sex marriage (46 percent to 39 percent).

    Still, the poll suggests that despite his lead and the extremely favorable conditions for a Democratic candidate, Obama has not yet established himself as the firm choice of swing voters. In fact, McCain, who has banked on a large and deep reservoir of goodwill from middle-of-the-road voters, still leads Obama among independents, albeit by only two points (45 percent to 43 percent). That's actually a slightly better showing for McCain than in the September NEWSWEEK poll, when Obama led McCain 44 percent to 43 percent among voters who described themselves as Independent. Party identification, it should be noted, can change significantly month to month, and voters may be particularly inclined to self-identify as Democrats in a year when Democrats are favored over Republicans. Among white Catholics, a group that has voted with the winner of every American presidential contest since 1960, Obama leads McCain by only one point (48 percent to 47 percent).

    The poll suggests that the McCain campaign's strategy of sharp attacks on Obama's character have not yet had their desired effect and may, in fact, be backfiring. In recent days, McCain's campaign—and, in particular, his running mate, Sarah Palin—have sought to highlight Obama's ties to the '60s radical William Ayers and paint the Democratic nominee as outside of the mainstream. But 60 percent of voters said they have a favorable view of Obama, while 36 percent said they viewed the Democratic candidate unfavorably. That's actually an improvement from a month ago, when Obama's favorable to unfavorable ratio was 57 to 37. In the same period, McCain's favorability rating has decreased, from 57 percent in September to 51 percent today, while his unfavorable percentage have risen, 36 to 45.

    Further, 59 percent of voters in the poll said Obama shares their values, compared to 37 percent who said he does not. By contrast, 47 percent of voters said McCain shares their values while 49 percent said he does not. Forty-eight percent of voters said Palin shares their values, while 47 percent said she does not.

    Palin's support appears to be slipping. While 60 percent of voters think Palin would fit in well with their local community, only 39 percent of those surveyed say they believe McCain's running mate is qualified to serve as president, while 55 believe she is not.

    This poll was conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International from Oct. 8-9, 2008. Telephone interviews were conducted with 1,212 adults, 18 or older. Results are weighted so that the sample demographics match Census Current Populatio n Survey parameters for gender, age, education, race, region, and population density. The overall margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.4 percentage points for results based on 1,212 adults and plus or minus 3.7 percentage points for 1,035 regist ered voters. Voter registration status is self-reported. Results based on smaller subgroups are subject to larger margins of sampling error.

    SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR REGISTERED VOTERS SUBGROUPS:

    1,035 Registered voters (plus or minus 4)
    280 Republicans (plus or minus 7)
    402 Democrats (plus or minus 6)
    325 Independents (plus or minus 7)
    839 White (plus or minus 4)
    175 Non-White (plus or minus 9)
    491 Men (plus or minus 5)
    544 Women (plus or minus 5)
    126 18-34 (plus or minus 10)
    159 35-44 (plus or minus 9)
    434 45-64 (plus or minus 6)
    283 65+ (plus or minus 7)
    247 White Evangelicals (plus or minus 8)
    191 White Catholics (plus or minus 8)
    401 Other whites (plus or minus 6)
    230 Hillary Clinton supporters (plus or minus 8)

    In addition to sampling error, the practical difficulties of conducting surveys can also introduce error or bias to poll results.
     
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    Oct 11th polls, all showing Obama ahead:

    Gallup: 51/42

    Rasmussen: 52/45

    Diageo/Hotline: 50/40

    Daily Kos: 52/40

    Zogby: 47.6/43.8
     
  16. Cannonball

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    The Real Clear Politics poll averages show Obama 49.9, McCain 42.3. That's an 7.6 point lead on average for Obama. Both of Obama's numbers are campaign highs according to the RCP chart.
     
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    October 12th polls. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/

    • Gallup: Obama 50%, McCain 43%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to a 51%-42% Obama lead yesterday.

    • Rasmussen: Obama 51%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to a 52%-45% Obama lead from yesterday.

    • Hotline/Diageo: Obama 49%, McCain 41%, with a ±3.4% margin of error, compared to a 50%-40% Obama lead yesterday.

    • Research 2000: Obama 53%, McCain 40%, with a ±3% margin of error, compared to a 52%-40% Obama lead from yesterday.

    • Zogby: Obama 49%, McCain 43%, with a ±2.9% margin of error, compared to a 48%-44% Obama lead yesterday.
     
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    Interesting. Obama's lead has shrunk from 8.3 to 7.6 in 1 day. McCain will over take Obama in 11 days at that pace. By election day, it will be a landslide for McCain and TraderJorge will buy a round of drinks for the whole board!
     
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    Hard to say if it's tilting back some to McCain based on the daily polls or if it's "statistical noise".

    Today's ABC News/Washington Post poll has it 53/43 Obama.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/12/AR2008101202333.html?hpid=topnews

    According to 538, there is some talk of a McCain campaign "reboot" early this week before the debate. I don't know if he can pull it off without it seeming like another desperate stunt. Either way, I think it's a safe assumption the election will tighten over the last 3 weeks. McCain will gain some ground initially and Obama will try to bury him the final few days.
     

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