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Election 2008

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Sep 17, 2008.

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  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    Of course you're right! I will remain in good spirits and continue to work.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    I've never told anyone how to run their country so I don;t know wtf you are talking about.

    I dislike Chavez but I wouldn't tell someone from venezuela to vote him out. I don't really give a "expletive deleted" I only really cared once I heard about the daylight savings ordeal. :D
     
  3. baller4life315

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    These polls do nothing but contradict one another. Barring anything unexpected you might as well just ignore them until the debates start.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    That was a nod towards how.. umm.. "active" we've been in world affairs over the last 40 years or so...
     
  5. A_3PO

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    You are wrong. The GOP garbage machine always has more rubbish to toss in the water. Just watch. The only thing we can be sure of is it won't be anything to do with the issues facing America. It will some kind of contrived distraction. The good news is I get the sense people are beginning to see through the uuuu.
     
  6. London'sBurning

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    I think the Palin thing is dying down too. Especially after her policies are being exposed. McCain picked a woman as VP candidate to attract the women vote, but more people are realizing that she's against a great deal of women's rights that Hillary voters are in support of. Plus McCain still has a lot of senior moments lately with his comments and I think he'll get ripped apart in debates. The whole low expectations stuff isn't going to cut it this time. McCain isn't nearly as likable as Bush. He doesn't have any charisma, so I don't think he'll be excused of any gaffes. I really don't think the election is going to be as close as everyone here is making it out to be. I think they'll be a record turn out of voters among the young adult crowd in support of Obama and they'll basically trump any of the senior vote that tends to lean Republican.
     
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    Canada could technically be America but the not the United States of America, thus foreign.
     
  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    From her bio:

    Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the print media. A former Toronto Sun columnist, she also worked for the Kingston Whig Standard. Her work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and Glenn Beck.

    1. She wrote an editorial, and clearly had a strong opinion. Good for her.
    2. She leans way to the right. Drudge, Fox, Beck. Good for her.
    2. Why will an opinion piece in her Canadian rag affect Obama more than any other right-leaning opinion piece? (and there are tons.)

    Does every left-leaning opinion piece affect McCain? :confused:
     
  9. mc mark

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    Hey Jorge can you translate this for me?

    El candidato republicano no se compromete a ver a Zapatero si gana

    El senador responde con evasivas sobre el presidente español en una entrevista

    M. G. - Madrid - 18/09/2008

    Hasta cuatro veces eludió el candidato republicano a la Casa Blanca, John McCain, comprometerse a reunirse con el jefe del Gobierno español, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, si se convierte en el próximo presidente de los Estados Unidos.

    "Me reuniría con aquellos líderes que son nuestros amigos y que quieran trabajar con nosotros en una acción cooperativa", respondió McCain, en una entrevista con las emisoras del grupo Unión Radio, del que forma parte la Cadena SER.

    Cuando se le insistió en la cuestión, se limitó a contestar con evasivas. "Le puedo asegurar que estableceré relaciones más estrechas con nuestros amigos y plantaré cara a quienes quieran dañar a los Estados Unidos", dijo una vez. "Me reuniría con cualquier líder que tenga los mismos principios y filosofía que nosotros: derechos humanos, democracia y libertad. Y me enfrentaré a los que no [los tengan]", agregó otra.

    Preguntado al respecto, Zapatero restó ayer importancia a la vaguedad de McCain. "Es lógico que tenga la prudencia necesaria, hay un proceso electoral [pendiente]", respondió.

    "Es verdad que no he tenido un encuentro formal con el presidente [George W.] Bush", insistió Zapatero, aludiendo a la anomalía que supone la inexistencia de un encuentro al máximo nivel entre ambos gobiernos, "pero [esto] no ha impedido el trabajo que hemos realizado". Y añadió que trabajará con la nueva Administración estadounidense "tenga el color que tenga" y lo hará "con voluntad constructiva y lealtad, como corresponde a países que se tienen por socios".

    Estas declaraciones de McCain contrastan con las que hizo a EL PAÍS en abril pasado, cuando dijo que "es el momento de dejar atrás discrepancias con España". Y añadió: "Me gustaría que [el presidente Zapatero] visitara Estados Unidos". En medios diplomáticos se atribuía ayer la actitud del candidato republicano a una confusión, pues la entrevista se centraba en las relaciones con Latinoamérica y la periodista tuvo que recordarle que España es un país europeo cuando insistió en poner como ejemplo a México. En el mejor de los casos evidenciaría su ignorancia respecto a Zapatero.

    La celebración de una entrevista entre los dos presidentes es una prioridad de la diplomacia española. Se da por descontado que la cita no tendrá lugar hasta bien avanzado 2009, pues el ganador de las elecciones de noviembre tomará posesión en enero y deberá formar su equipo y atender otros problemas más urgentes que ocuparse de España. Pero se quiere que Zapatero vaya a Washington antes de que, en el primer semestre de 2010, el nuevo inquilino de la Casa Blanca asista en España a la cumbre Unión Europea-EE UU. La semana que viene acudirá Zapatero a Nueva York para la Asamblea General de la ONU, pero lo máximo que se espera es algún contacto del ministro Miguel Ángel Moratinos con su homóloga, Condoleezza Rice.

    http://www.elpais.com/articulo/inte...patero/gana/elpepiint/20080918elpepiint_9/Tes
     
  10. A_3PO

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    Today, Gallup has Obama up by 48/44 and Rasmussen has them even at 48/48. If Obama doesn't keep the pedal on the metal, he deserves to lose. He must resist the temptation to act like a front-runner and play it cautious. He is a very bad front-runner.
     
  11. Major

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    Totally agree - he has a tendency to let the media dictate the story instead of pushing the story. He's done a fantastic job of turning that around the last week or two - that's not sustainable for 7 more weeks, but he's got to start controlling the message better on a more consistent basic.
     
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    I think it is sustainable. He needs to do it for 7 weeks. The GOP has shown that repeating the same thing over and over will have ingrained in the media an much of the general populace's minds.

    the message that Al Gore was an exaggerator and Kerry was a flip flopper was beaten to death, and whether it was true or not didn't matter. The general perception was made.
     
  13. A_3PO

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    With his financial resources and the fact most major issues at the forefront favor him, I believe Obama can dictate the final 7 weeks to a great extent. He's got both hands on the steering wheel and must not let go. Obama must show the ability to close the sale and go in for the (electoral) kill. I'll say it again: The GOP still has tricks up their sleeve and won't lose this election quietly.

    I realize neither guy can control world events or domestic crises that flash up.
     
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    8 days!

    September 26, 2008: Presidential debate with domestic policy focus, University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS
    October 2, 2008: Vice Presidential debate, Washington University, St. Louis, MO
    October 7, 2008: Presidential debate in a town hall format, Belmont University, Nashville, TN
    October 15, 2008: Presidential debate with foreign policy focus, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Jorge just got POSEIDO
     
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    Wrong. He needs to do it for 7 weeks + 8 years.

    Even if Obama wins, the Repubs will do everything possible to drive his negatives up and they will do this as long as he's in office... and really, that's what they are most effective doing... they can criticize, but they can't govern.

    My big fear is that the election day turns out favorable and everyone breathes deep and relaxes when the real work of fixing the country is just beginning. This campaign has to go on for the next 8 years because you can bet the Republican campaign will certainly go on that long.
     
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    They see their 401k money and home equity going down drain. The last Democrat who managed to outspin Republicans were savaged as dirty and untrustworthy, traits that would probably destroy Obama's campaign.
     
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    Well, from how they're being polled in New Mexico, it looks like a lot of privacy will be needed...

    That's a 41 point gap.
     
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    man this would be amazing if the court agrees with barr. if nothing else, it'll greatly stir up the ants.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...s/stories/091908dntexbarrballot.8b61581c.html

    personally i think he is correct in saying neither party formally declared their candidates, but my gut says the crips and bloods will get their way and appear on the ballot. though if they're both held off the write in campaign would be massive.
     

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