Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

No, that's not it.

Hill doesn't generate offense like a Damian does, a Curry does, a Paul does, etc.

Hill's a role player in the offensive scheme.

Beverely is very good at defending PGs that generate the offense. Hill isn't one. Against 2/3 of the league, Beverely is useless. Against the elite 1/3 of PGs, yes, there his is calling.

He shouldn't be logging more than 20 minutes against teams like Indiana.

 

This is completely BS....

Defense is Defense... The problem is with today's guards, too many hybrid guards... Harden, Curry, Lin, Westbrook, etc...

They are shooting guards in pg bodies.. Today you don't see the Reggie Miller or Ray Allen type of guards who can play off the ball and not have it in their hand... Unfortunately, none of those guards have won a championship.

I've heard the thing about Wade and Lebron... As much as I don't like Lebron, I respect the fact that he put his game to the said for the team and so did Wade. That's what it means to lead your team.

A player like Bev is hard to find, someone who gives 100% every single night. He's basically the new Battier, just a smaller package. He plays his role on offense and that's all you can ask for...

Defense is a team thing, so when one player is slacking it affects the entire team. If Harden plays half-@$$ (like he does) then someone has to switch to help him out... But at the same time the entire team has to switch and Harden has to cover the slack... Unfortunately, Harden is letting his man go and then leaking out for the fast break and that is killing the defense.

Bev plays good defense and all you can ask any player to do is to slow his man down, it's nearly impossible to stop a pure scorer in this league with these rules so all you can do is try to slow your man down. Bev does a good job of that.

T_Man

 

C'mon. You guys had no problems last year when people on this forum were saying Lin is faking an injury so he doesn't have to face Chris Paul.

Or that I bet Lillard will drop 30 on Lin, or Paul will drop 30 and 15 on Lin and so on.

It's only a problem when said to a non-Lin Rocket.

 

It's sad to see the nonstop desperate attempts to prop up such poor performances time and time again.

The bar could not be set any lower for Beverly.

By any measurable standard he has been abysmal as a starter on offence and been a non factor on defence.

You should join the women's gymnastics team, the amount of twisting and contorting in your posts is Olympic level.

 

Sorry you did not see me post anything like and I don't agree with the people who did post those things...

T_Man

 

First off its offense and defense...

The only attempt you will get from me is on team play and not just on individuals.. I don't care if it's about Harden, Howard, Parsons, Lin or any other player...

Every player on this team has his strength and weakness. So when torcan points out about Lin being better than Bev on offense he has no argument from me on that... My prob is with the Lin vs Bev in the offense when the majority of the posters on this board agree that the issues is much deeper than 2 players....

So know one is trying to twist, prop, change or influence anything... My issue is with the unwanted attack on bev.

T_Man

 

First off, offence and defence are also correct, feel free to google. But thanks for illustrating that you are the kind of person that picks at spelling as a form of trying to demean people whose point of view you disagree with.

Second of all, Bev is not good enough to be a starter and it is damaging to the team and the unnecessary propping up of him by 'true rockets fans' is severely nauseating. Where we're you with the ridiculous double standards when Lin was being criticised by the same people last here?

As is the fact that he has been appointed as the starter of this team simply to appease the ego of a mediocre coach.

I don't really care if Lin gets traded, but the endless hypocrisy is something I won't hesitate to point out.

 

I really hate iPad auto correct.

 

Bev is not the person who's damaging this team so that statement is just false.....

For the life I can't understand why it is so critical for Lin to start... When we won the 2 championships, K. Smith started, but it was Cassell who played major minutes and closed out most of the games.... So why is it so important for Lin to start.

Second, I guarantee you if Lin was starting you guys would be *itching about Lin not being used correctly with Harden in the game.. Lin is in a great spot where he can come in and be the man and run the team without Harden... So again i don't understand the hatred...

Now for your statement on the criticism... Every player on this team has been criticized at one point or another and Lin is no exception. Now I will point out that his fans have rubbed a lot of posters on this board the wrong way and some of the post can be a little harsh... Then again some of the post about Lin have not been harsh at all, but they have been taken the wrong way.

Lin is a good player and he brings a lot to the team and can help the team greatly.

T_Man

 

Correct. It is Mchale who is really the culprit. Making Bev the starter is just one example of a long line of poor coaching decisions like Harden's play time, lack of called plays, not calling for a foul when late in the game, Endless ISO, not holding Harden accountable, poor rotation patterns, poor team defence etc. etc.

Lin could be a very good player on this team but as it stands he will now either be traded for peanuts or leave for nothing when his contract is up. There was no reason for Beverly to start. Lin's minutes could have been staggered. I don't want to get into an endless debate about this though so we can agree to disagree.

You can guarantee and strawman all you like. We're not going to see eye to eye on McHale's attitude towards Lin so lets leave it as that.

There is a huge amount of hypocrisy with the standards being applied to Lin vs Toney Douglas, Shaun Livingston, Pat Beverly etc. There is also the treatment of fans coming to discuss an opinion, being dismissed through name calling and low level intellectual bullying. There is a lot of chicken and egg and the fault lies mostly on Clutch for encouraging name calling as a viable form of debate and for those who engage in it.

I'm not interested in defending what everyone else may or may not have said in defence of Lin. I'm simply pointing out the double standard.

The only reason Beverly is still starting on this team is to satiate McHale's ego. All the talk about fit etc is just smoke screen.

But really I don't know why I'm being drawn into defend Lin. He has the potential to be a very good player but his contract on this team is dead weight right now.

 

You can promote Bev all day long but the fact he is the weakest link on this team. You going to need a better product to sell, I'm afraid.
- A PG with 1 assist in 30 minutes is not going to sell.
- A defender (claimed elite) whom gave opponent over 50%FG is not going to sell.

 

Harden plays 40 minutes a game, how is lin able to run a team without harden with barely 8 minutes without harden on the court? Lin's going to have to play with Harden majority of the minutes whether he's starting or playing off the bench

 

why so many so call "rockets fans" still defend Bev is beyond me. this guy plays with heart every night, but he still is the worst starting PG in nba. he put so much pressure on Harden. (harden needs to be main scorer and PG)

Bev is the problem, alongside with Mchale.

 

I don't disagree with the Lin stuff, but who the fack is worse than PB at PG????? I've heard him compared to Mario Chalmers, Derrick Fisher, and its just plain laughable. Fisher was a good enough shooter who can drain the open three. The Triangle offense doesn't call for a true PG as the ball naturally move to the open man. We don't have that here, and the lack of play making ability of Harden and Bev is killing this team.

 

People still don't understand that Lin is NOT running the 2dn team. Harden is still playing major minutes when Lin is on the floor and majority of the time the offense doesn't run through Lin

 

Bev "the legendary defender" had another mediocre game last night on defense.


Hill scored 12 points on 5/8, 62.5 FG%
Watson scored 8 points on 3/3, 100 FG%
Sloan scored 2 points on 1/1, 100 FG%

Total PGs 22 points on 9/12, 75 FG%

I wonder how much longer people will claim Bev is some great defender.

 

Jeremy was around a 15 Per most of last season. Bev has been around a 11 Per most of this season. Last season some of the new fans who joined in 2012 attacked Lin non-stop on his offense. How he couldn't make a 3 pointer or his low FG% lol. Jeremy's offense last year is vastly better than Bev's offense this season.

Some fans attacked Lin's defense last season. This year so many PGs even a lot of mediocre ones have destroyed Bev and his "legendary Defense"

 

Man gtfo they were running off screens and Beverly had to provide help defense a lot of the game! You didn't watch the game clearly

 

Of course I watched the game as well as the whole country for the nationally televised game.

Fans all over the NBA are saying Bev gives you nothing after last night.


12/20 against the Pacers
Bev 30 minutes
Hill scored 12 points on 5/8, 62.5 FG%
Watson scored 8 points on 3/3, 100 FG%
Sloan scored 2 points on 1/1, 100 FG%
Total PGs 22 points on 9/12, 75 FG%

12/15 against the Kings
Bev 31 minutes
Isiah Thomas scored 19 points on 7/12, 58 FG%

12/4 against the Suns
Bev 42 minutes
Bledsoe/Dragic scored 39 points on 13/25, 52 FG%

12/2 against the Jazz
Bev 38 minutes
Burke/Burks scored 42 points on 19/29, 65.5 FG%

11/30 against the Spurs
Bev 37 minutes
Parker scored 27 points on 13/27, 48.1 FG%

11/20 against the Mavs
Bev 37 min
Calderon/Larkin scored 21 points on 7/13, 53.8 FG%

11/16 against the Nuggets
Bev 27 minutes
Lawson 28 points on 11/19, 57.8 FG%

11/13 against the Sixers
Bev 42 minutes
Andersen 36 points on 12-16, 75 FG%
Wroten 18 points, 10 reb, 11 asts

Who did the incredible Bev stop?

 

No team in the NBA should have a starting PG who averages 2.3 assist/game. He can be the best defender on earth but your offense is going to suffer from lack of ball movement. It's pretty simple why our offense just doesn't work sometimes.