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Eisenhower never wanted freeways to go through cities

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by da1, May 24, 2013.

  1. IBTL

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    So what's the deal here? I have a friend that is obsessed with cocaine. Are you obsessed with public transport? I have met some weird people before and granted I have some quirks. But what is the deal? You've got me intrigued.

    At a base level are you saying that public transport is the devil or that you like public transport? How do you feel about bart, fart, dart, hart? Have you ever had your fellatio from your gal while around the 610 loop? I tried it before and then just decided to pull over and smash it right there in the holiday inn parking lot.

    What is your favorite bus station, train station, or airport?

    I like PDX.

    I was in Denver and I felt like they have a pretty nice train system. I was impressed with how far out it went and overall seems pretty nice.

    My friend had his camera stolen on a bus one time in germany. He was yelling at everyone on the bus. oh well.

    Another time I was on a bus in mexico and this baby took a sh**it and the mom decided to change the diaper right there in the middle of the bus. good times.

    I think paris has a pretty nice metro but a very distinct smell. Washington DC subway is pretty well done too. I like the way the announcer says 'foggy bottom'

    I have not been on greyhound except to san antonio one time. I cant remember if it was because I was having car issues or not.

    Do you like the new name for 59 they have changed it to 69. party on dude.
     
  2. London'sBurning

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    I do agree having freeways outside of the city would be more ideal in keeping the cultural identity of a city in tact. That said it may not grow to the same degree that it would by having the mass transit system it currently does.

    I personally would love to see more public transportation via bus, train, sky train, subway, etc and more pedestrian friendly streets for that matter. That's one of my favorite things about the city of Vancouver compared to a lot of American cities I've been to. It's just how easy it is to navigate on foot around that city no problem at all. Yet it takes me 12 miles one way to drive to work and if there's no traffic it only takes me 15 minutes to get there. With traffic it could take me upwards of 45 minutes. That sucks.

    Even if it took me 40 minutes via a sky train to get to work everyday, I could at least bring something with me like a book to waste my time. Instead I either have to pre-program a music playlist I actually like or listen to garbage radio stations while driving my car. Goddammit do I miss Comedy 102.7.
     
  3. TISNF

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    Not sure why everyone is hating on da1 here. I found the info here really insightful, or at least historically entertaining.

    Not sure why the "if you don't have anything constructive to say, then why post in this thread" doesn't apply here? Apparently a lot of people either hate mass transit, love their cars, or don't care much about their communities. Or all of the above.
     
  4. Air Langhi

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    Cause this is Texas we don't want no stinkin trains. Trains and Busses are for the poors. If you are poor its your own fault. No siree I want to drive my F250 on my 12 lane highway. I want to walk ten feet from my front door to my car. I want to drive the twenty miles in air conditioned comfort and walk the twenty feet to my office.

    If you want those trains and other liberal toys move. Go to NY or Cali with all those other liberal hippies. Here in texas we work hard so we can have those big cars. :rolleyes:
     
  5. BigBird

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    Why do you have to use the term "poor"? Just do as I do and call them plebeians.
     
  6. peleincubus

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    Pretty much.
     
  7. Dairy Ashford

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    I'll just pretend I read Rommel and Goring here.
     
  8. da1

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    Thanks
     
  9. da1

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    However, President Eisenhower was not aware of the urban highway segments. His model for the Interstate System had been Germany’s autobahn: the rural highway network he had seen during and after World War II. In the summer of 1959, rumor has it that he discovered the existence of urban highway segments when he passed construction of the Capital Beltway while being driven to the presidential retreat at Camp David. An alternative theory is that he discovered the truth when he talked with urban planners about the District of Columbia’s freeway network. Whichever way he found out, President Eisenhower asked his friend and adviser, retired General John Bragdon, to conduct a broad review of the Interstate program.
    On April 6, 1960, the President met with Bragdon, Secretary of Commerce Frederick Mueller, Federal Highway Administrator Bertram Tallamy, and others, to review Bragdon’s preliminary findings, including his view that the Interstates should include only roads that carry intercity traffic around and into cities. Other urban Interstates should be eliminated. Mueller and Tallamy objected. The President responded that he now knew that the city officials and Members of Congress understood the urban highway segments were part of the program, even if they were contrary to his views. By then, he had heard of, but not seen, the Yellow Book (Mueller handed him a copy) and had been told that it was one of the prime reasons Congress passed the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956. Although the concept was against his wishes, he felt his hands were tied. The urban Interstates would remain part of the program.
     
  10. Johndoe804

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    What Eisenhower wanted is a moot point. Even if they didn't build the interstate's through major cities, I suspect that cities would spring up along the major intersections simply because of the economic benefits that the interstate system provides.
     
  11. Caltex2

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    Las Vegas is proof that a major city can spring up overnight and beca
     
  12. Caltex2

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    [continued, hit the wrong button]

    Vegas is proof a major city can spring up virtually overnight thanks to being near the latest mode of transportation or system supporting it. Without the railroad, Vegas might literally be a ghost town. There are other railroad towns that would not exist in any significant way without it.
     
  13. nguyen3706

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    I wished we went through with Eisenhowers autobahn idea, so I could actually legally go full speed on my M3.
     

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