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Egyptians vote on the New Constitution

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Dec 15, 2012.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    You're ignoring the question and putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

    I think he is ultra-ideological compared to the world's population even if he is the least so out of his "peers". You don't have to be ultra-religious to be ultra-ideological. I believe he is power hungry by virtue of running for President - again, this is not any different than his peers, it's just one of the characteristics of wanting that job with the characteristics it currently holds.

    No Obama is not an ultra-religious, power hungry, theocratic dictator. This is a silly characterization as it only really applies to 3-4 leaders today. I was speaking about the voter mentality of choosing the least crappy candidate and then doing it over and over every 4 years while complaining about it - a behavior that most Egyptians don't seem to share, partially because of the difference between Obama and Morsi, but also other reasons equally if not more significant which has nothing to do with nationality.

    So out of the list of candidates, who could Egyptians have voted for who would not try to seize power and impose their own party's beliefs on everyone else in a theocratic manner?
     
  2. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I feel sorry for the Egyptian people. The way the creation of this "constitution" was conducted, and then a "vote" rushed through, makes a farce out of the entire process.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Anyone not running for the Salafists or the Muslim Brotherhood.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    I'm not too worried about the theocratic elements (aside from the narrow definition of how Sharia is interpreted, because that's going to be tough to erase later) or the rights of women, the role of the military (which is similar to what they do in Turkey), etc. The single most important thing they need to get is a truly democratic system that will give them presidents and legislatures freely and fairly elected. The rest of it can be worked out over the next century if they have that mechanism in place for government to reform itself. I don't think it's reasonable to ask Egypt to leapfrog into the 21st century without practicing a little with the 20th. Term limits on the presidency is a good start, but I don't know if the draft gives them any sort of real democracy yet.

    Second to that, they do need stability. I'll take stability over women's rights and religious freedoms at the moment, if they'll have the opportunity to work on that stuff later. They are flirting with another dictatorship, and instability (caused by something like a boycott) could assure it. If the constitution isn't good enough, I hope people will vote no instead of staying home and I hope they make changes and try again. But, I think this is an instance of great being the enemy of good -- some people are setting the bar too high on how much could be accomplished right now. If they avoid dictatorship, I'll call it a win.
     

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