Egypt: Supreme Council of Armed Forces takes control before Muslim brotherhood wins

Didn't know dd was a maoist.

 

I think I inspired him in a previous life.



DD

 

So you want Egypt to follow religion created thousands of years ago that codified the customs of nomadic people in the desert? How about Egypt use a more modern document like the the constitution which is 1000 years newer and is reflective by the new ideas generated in those thousand years.

 

Still a thousand years old.

 

Or even the Magna Carta.

There are tons of successful countries to emulate - keep religion out of government - PERIOD !

End of story...good day !

DD

 

I see your point, and much of it depends on the manner in which you view the Egyptian Revolution.

I for one disagree with the analogizing between it and postmodern Iran. For the past 30 years, Iran has been defined by the Islamic Revolution, an act which drastically restructured the political apparatus and fundamentally shifted the course of the country in real and meaningful ways. Perhaps the single most noteworthy impact was the enhanced role of the clerical class in exercising authority on behalf of the state, but even then we're starting to see elements of that shift the other direction, with Ahmadinejad playing a far more visible role as state president than his predecessors.

Perhaps a better comparison would be postmodern Turkey- in 1997, the military performed what has now been dubbed the 'postmodern coup', forcing out the ruling party and enforcing strong military control. It was after this event that many legislative reforms were made, including stricter controls on state media and restrictions on criticizing the government, along with hijab bans in universities and state offices. Despite this event, it took less than five years for religious parties to reformulate and win substantial victories. Today, it goes without saying that Turkey's president is an overtly religious man.

As I said previously, I fully expect the SCAF to be involved politically, but it would be foolhardy to assume that they're not going to acquiesce meaningful authority back to Mursi when its all said and done. The SCAF is undoubtedly trying to restructure Egypt so that they have a greater role in the long term, but such efforts can not but sustained absent ongoing authoritarian practices similar to what happened in Pakistan, which, given the public outcry and revolution, is highly unlikely.

 

Though the Islamic Revolution was an unanticipated twist, it would take a remarkable sequence of events for Egypt to transition into such a state. MB's domination of the news and ability to galvanize votes is not simply a product of religiosity, as it has been predicated on demonstrating political savvy, assuaging concerns of minority rights and protections of civil liberties, and articulating their platform as being more sophisticated than rogue theocracy. MB is also unfairly portrayed at times as having a far more islamist twist than it realistically aspires to implement. Though factions may exist with such aspirations, MB is far removed from the zealotry than that which defined Banna and Qutb.

In any event, I think such an expectation is at best a theory (and a far fetched one at that), but at the end of the day theorizing in political futures is always far fetched until such events manifest.

I'm curious as to why you have apprehension with the Turkey parallel. Turkey has a long ways to go, and there are still deep seeded tensions that need to be resolved surrounding its secular identity. Nonetheless, it has been extremely effective at encouraging forms of democratic participation, handling foreign policy, stimulating job growth, and reforming their criminal justice system. Should Egypt ever achieve such accomplishments, it will be safe to say that the revolution has exceeded expectations, especially considering the current state of affairs.

As for the tweets, I dont necessarily see that as undermining my point. There are always competing views in the political marketplace, and more likely than not, such views contribute to the position that none of those ideas are ever going to be adopted, at least not wholesale. If you read the Articles of Confederation, the Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist Papers, and related literature from that period of American history, you'll see competing views, and the Constitution was more or less a compromise from such views. In all likelihood, Egypts future will be a negotiation of its own political players, and although SCAF will be one such player, it will hopefully only be one in a pool of others.

On a side note, really great paper written a while back by Jonathan Brown about Salafis and Sufis in Egypt which you may find interesting.

 

On this I agree.

 

Tahrir Square fills again as protesters contest Egypt's military rule

 

This is whom represents the Muslim brotherhood, swearing to God in a lie on TV - yep, he is a true politician.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/06/17/muslim-brotherhood-leader-caught-lying—while-swearing-to-god/



Sobhi Saleh, a top Muslim Brotherhood leader who was elected by Egypt’s Supreme Council to be on the constitution amendment committee, recently gave a speech wherein he insisted that Brotherhood men should only marry Brotherhood women, since they are “superior” to other Muslim women in Egypt—and so they can “produce little Brotherhood kids.” He also likened Egyptian secularists to atheists (that is, infidels) and referred to Egyptians disagreeing with the Brotherhood as qaum lut, the “People of Lot,” the Koran’s unflattering appellation for sexually depraved societies.

To “clarify” his position, which he received some heat for, Saleh recently appeared on Dream TV, debating Muslim intellectual Dr. Khaled Montaser. At one point, because he was unable to refute Montaser, Saleh snidely remarked that he was unaware the show was going to be an “inquisition” and that he wasn’t even informed that Montaser would be debating him. The host Mona al-Shazly, protested, adding, “Yes, you did know who you would be facing.”

Saleh kept insisting otherwise, including by swearing to God—all with a very sincere look.

The host, visibly stunned, pointed out that she and the whole studio team were present when the coordinator called Saleh and told him who the other guest would be, adding in a very disappointed tone, “I have a great problem that you would swear to God on the air, when I know for a fact that you’re lying.”

Watching the video, it is clear that Saleh was mortified and speechless, to the point that, to break the awkward silence, the host said, “Okay, we’ve passed this, let’s move on now.”

This anecdote is ultimately for the benefit of those Western peoples uninitiated in Islamic lore, who—by projecting their own ethic onto Islam—may find it incongruent for a Muslim who piously seeks to order society around God’s laws, do so by taking false oaths in that same God’s name.

Yet, the fact is, Saleh’s lie accords well with Islam’s notorious doctrines of deception, which permit Muslims to deceive in order to empower Islam—which is precisely what the Muslim Brotherhood and all Islamist organizations, violent and nonviolent, are all about.

Why Saleh resorted to lying is further telling: his opponent was armed with facts, which always beat sophistry. For example, when Saleh began arguing that a Brotherhood-led government for Egypt would be wonderful for Coptic Christians, Montaser proceeded to read from a number of fatwas issued by the Brotherhood’s former grand mufti, Abdullah al-Khatib—fatwas asserting that it is forbidden to build new churches in Egypt, that in certain situations it is obligatory for Muslims to destroy churches—a regular occurrence in Egypt—and that it is forbidden to bury Christians in Muslim cemeteries, “lest they [the Muslims] suffer from the Christian’s torments of the grave.”

Incidentally, Saleh is the same Brotherhood leader who was portrayed affectionately in the New York Times: “He is a distinguished 57, clean-shaven, with white hair, wearing an orange sweater and black flip-flops. He has a leopard tissue cozy: not a leopard-print container, but what looks like a toy stuffed animal around his tissue box…. He is immediately engaging, the kind of person you shake hands with at a conference then find yourself telling people, ‘He’s such a nice guy,’ without really knowing why.”

Why, indeed. Probably because he is a master at letting people hear what they want to hear, especially in English. (Watch Saleh as he leads an Egyptian mob chanting intolerant Islamist slogans and calling for the implementation of Sharia, and somehow he won’t appear like “such a nice guy.”)

Thus, as the U.S. director of national intelligence foolishly describes the Brotherhood as “a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence,” and as President Obama asks Israel to make concessions to similar organizations, one must ask:

If top Islamist leaders have no problem lying about silly things to fellow Muslims—while swearing to God—how trustworthy are any of their words and promises to Western and Israeli leaders, that is, the hated infidels?

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Glad the military kept them away.

DD

 

Glad you believe in Democracy.

 

Do you think the Muslim Brotherhood will install a true democracy?

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD’S EGYPTIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: ‘JIHAD IS OUR PATH & DEATH IN THE NAME OF ALLAH IS OUR GOAL’

There’s been plenty of drama leading up to Egypt’s presidential elections later this month. But in addition to the infighting and violence, there is an overarching fear surrounding who will assume the presidency. In the post-Hosni Mubarak world, some fear that radical Islamist ideals will overtake the nation, leading to increased hostility and volatility. And a recent comment about “jihad” from Mohammed Mursi, a top candidate being touted by the Muslim Brotherhood, will only add to worries.

According to The Voice of Russia, an international media outlet owned by the Russian government, Mursi is calling for a Constitution that is based on the Koran and sharia law.

“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Mursi apparently said in an election speech at Cairo University on Saturday evening. “Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals.”

Considering the string of theocratically-driven statements coming from religious and political leaders, these latest comments are concerning. Last week, The Blaze told you about Egyptian Cleric Safwat Higazi and his comments about a “Caliphate.” Mursi, he said, will apparently help to re-establish this massive Islamic state.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mus...-path-death-in-the-name-of-allah-is-our-goal/

 

I believe in doing whatever is best for the peaceful world......and bringing up the others countries as we can.

DD

 

new President of Egypt, "our capital shall not be Cairo, Mecca, or Medina. It shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing. Our cry shall be 'millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem'"

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yeah well we saw how well it worked out the last time Egypt and Israel battled. Complete annihilation of the Egyptians. They wouldn't have a prayer trying to take Jerusalem

 

Is one of the new president's first acts to dissolve the peace agreement with Israel?

 

Considering that Egypt has issues enough maintaining order in Sinnai, I doubt it.

The army won't like it either.