Why the hell would the Blazers trade one of the top 10 PFs in the league for a guy who has never proven anything and may never play basketball again?
1. Because they're the Blazers. All rational drops when you're dealing with the Blazers, Clippers, Wizards and Warriors. 2. Because they're desperately trying to get rid of Wallace. If you kept up with the news, you'd know this. 3. Because the Blazers like to look at potential, and Griffin's got that. Never mind his rap sheet.
Go ahead and name 2 times that the Blazers have dealt a superstar for a scrub. If your refering to the "rumor" that broke last week about Sheed/Wells for Finley/Jamison, it wasn't true. And even if they are desperately shopping Sheed as you said, don't you think they could get a little more than a guy who may never play basketball again?
To be honest, I think we should just cut our losses with Eggie. I know he has talent; I know he's a human being who needs someone to reach him; but we don't need the distraction. Besides, it has been reported that the Rox are shopping EG (I don't trust reporters but this one seems a no-brainer). I wouldn't mind Eggie for Tony Battie, who the Celts are shopping. This would improve the rotation: 5) Yao/Battie 4) Cato/Padgett/Ford (don't ask me about Mo; who knows?) Our trade exception could make that work. The Celts get closer to the luxury tax threshold (although we might cross it, so I don't know if such a thing would happen).
Man, I'd pull the trigger on that deal in a heart beat. Battie's not great, but he's a good rebounder and shot blocker and he would be a solid back up 4/5 for the rotation.
Unlike the rest of you guys I'm not so ready to trade away EG. He still has time to redeem his career. Not only that nobody really wants him so the Rox are stuck with him til the end of the year. Hopefully he comes back and salvages his career...and provide us with more interior defense for the playoffs. (im hoping)
1. That would assume Griffin is a scrub. But if you insist: 1.) Drexler for Thorpe 2.) Jermaine O'Neal for Dale Davis 2. If they can get, say, Ray Allen for Wallace they should do it, but who wants to give up their star for Wallace? I'd keep Allen over Wallace.
How are we going to make up the $14 million difference in salaries for this trade to work? Did you know that the Blazers are trying to get rid of players with character problems, not acquire them? They are prepared to let Wallace walk for nothing after this season. Eddie will become a free agent after this year, so anyone taking him on will only have him for the rest of the year, which he probably won't be able to contribute at all to. Did you think of any of these things before starting this thread?
Why trade him, if we are not going to get much in return, other than more salary. Worst case scenerio, we lose him for nothing next summer, but have a couple million more to spend before hitting the luxury tax threshold. Best case scenerio, he gets his head together, and we re-sign him next summer for cheap.
Griffin is not going to play for the Rockets anymore, he has yet to prove anything byutthat he is a head case, so yes, he is a scrub, albeit one with alot of potential. If you think Otis Thorpe was a scrub, you're dumber than I thought, he averaged 14 points and 8 rebounds over his career, including a couple of years where he averaged 17 and 10. At the time of the O'Neal trade, O'Neal and averaged 4 points and 3 boards, definitly not superstar numbers. At the same time Dale Davis was averaging a double double and provided veteran influence to Blazer teams that were competing for the NBA championship. So neither of these trades go under the superstar for scrub column. Feel free to try again...
What is up with all this name-calling in this place? Can we disagree without calling each other " dumb " and other such things? I'd like to think Rocket fans are better then that. While I am not going to compare Otis Thrope to Eddie Griffin, let's just say that Eddie Griffin has proven he can block and sometimes hit a lot of 3's in the hot streak ( in fact, if you ever played NBA Live 2003 you will see that Griffin has a 3-point logo underneath his name. This doesn't mean much, just wanted to point this out ). I wouldn't call Eddie a scrub the same way I wouldn't call Otis Thorpe a scrub. You wanted lopsided deals which the Blazers did, and I pointed out the Thorpe/Drexler trade. That was clearly to the advantage of the Rockets as evidenced in their second championship. But you saying Griffin is a scrub in the first place confuses the question. I'd prefer to interpret it as lopsided deals which the Blazers have done which was against their favor, and those two I pointed out was clearly examples of that. Thank you. And let's try not to flame before it comes back at you, okay? I'm giving you respect, I believe you should give me mine.
If you are talking about the main thread topic, Wallace wasn't a part of it. I just threw in that question ( regardless of the salary difference ) just to be curious about what some of you people thought of that trade. I'm not suggesting the Rockets should do it. I believe people here have a problem reading according to context, and instead, take a few sentences and base an argument just for the sake of an argument out of those few sentences. At least you didn't try and throw third-grade insults at me like so many other people have done at this forum today. Thank you.
So, in case nobody read any of that, about the Wallace thing, that isn't part of the main topic. I just threw that in as a curiosity question. Let's discuss the Eddie Griffin trade in general without trying to use that Wallace part to flame me. I would appreciate that. I wonder if anyone really administrates this board.
RiceDaddy 7, I believe you are seriously overrating Eddie Griffin's trade value right now. IMO he has a negative value, which means the Blazers will take him only if Steve Francis is included in that deal. This maybe exaggerated a little bit but I think pretty much most posters here would agreed with me, simply because: a) Griffin is very likely out for the whole season, b) He will be an unrestricted FA next summer, which means any teams can get him without giving up anything, c) There's a possiblity that he will never play again. Plus, if you take his potentials out of equation, you have a guy who has done not much better than Cherokee Parks who, by the way, is a scrub. Now tell me which team would want this guy?
And you are seriously undermining the idioicy of some GMs in this league. Every year there's always some dumbass trade...some sucker...that will take what most normal people would consider a bad trade. Again, I brought the Blazers as an example, I'm not saying they're realistically expecting a straight up Wallace for Griffin trade ( and as one poster already pointed out, their salaries don't match ). But at this point, they can get something decent out of Griffin. I still think a few teams would want Griffin because they think they can change him, and that's what's selling about Griffin. He has potential and he has proven he can block shots. Griffin is a level above a scrub and a level above Cherokee Parks. You can get something out of Griffin, I am certain of this ( because, again, some teams believe they can change him ). If we can get Kenny Thomas back, that would be nice, although I doubt Philly would bite. Well, maybe if we threw in another role player ( Taylor? ) in there. Don't know about the salaries.
Ill repost one of my Posts... Why dont we Trade for Mcgrady and Garnett for Eddie and Maurice Taylor and Cuttino, then we can go to the finals YOU HAVE TO THINK OF MORE THAN 1 SIDE OF THE DEAL... Money is one of them... The other is called fairness. You cant trade a scrub and expect an allstar player in return, and when you say something like that it shows the stupidity in a person
Sigh. Eddie Griffin is not a scrub. And stop the third grade insults for the last %^&* time. You wanna know who's a scrub? Jason Collier was a scrub. Wang Zhizhi is a scrub. Charlie freakin' Ward, who stayed with the Knicks ten straight years ( I can't figure this out ), is a scrub. Eddie Griffin is one of the best natural shot blockers in the league not named Duncan, Yao, Shaq and Wallace. For that he deserves to be more then a scrub.
Man, I didn't know you could be #3 in the NBA in assists, shoot 44% from downtown, and be #10 in the league in steals and be a scrub. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/charlie_ward/index.html?nav=page
True, but he is a scrub compared to the stats that Rasheed wallace puts up... Thats like offering freaking Steve francis for a jay williams. HELL NO
