Good luck, thumbs. My attempt at being understanding of his view, despite the large, incoherent parts of his posts, was rewarded with another babbling tirade, spittle no doubt landing on the monitor screen. (thanks for the kind words, btw)
You're welcome. But to my chagrin, it wasn't until much later that I re-read my post and noticed a question mark that should have been a period. (See following) BTW, Deckard's posts, whether you agree or disagree, are always logical and civil? You might consider adopting similar standards. As always, your friendly antithesis. As to Hillboy, he just gets really wound tight when he gets in a debate and doesn't believe in prisoners. But, once past that, he genuinely seems to be an upright sort.
I agree. If he'd just cut out the exaggerated personal attacks and talk basketball, it'd be a lot more fun. What he's doing now is unnecessary and counterproductive. I could care less if he, or anyone else, wants to slam someone over an opinion, but you don't have to do it with language more suited for D&D or the boards of other sites we're all familiar with. Hell, now I'll probably catch some more for being "condescending". Such is life.
No, I got miffed from reading all of those posts pleading for compassion for this guy who quit on the Rockets from folks who attacked anyone for not "feeling" likewise. As I stated before MORE THAN ONCE, I could care less if someone feels compassion for EG - that's their right. I draw the line at using this misplaced "compassion" as a justification to waste any more time and effort on this guy. I am also unhappy with the mindset that Rox should bend over backwards for this guy who is out of the league while SF (a guy who wants to be here) should be kicked to curb because they don't like his style of play. You ask: What can EG do for us (Rox)? You already have your answer: NOTHING unless you feel that 3 1st round picks and 3 wasted years of basketball is merely a small downpayment on what else we can throw away while chasing his unmet "potential". There are far too many questions with no answers here. If he could not show them anything in 3 years, what makes you think that he could show them something in 10 days or even another year? And what exactly do you expect to get from this guy? Will he make us instantly competitive against the Duncans, Malones, Nowitskis and KGs of this league? Or, will the team become entangled with EG "depression" and treatment? Can you honestly say that he can be counted on in the future given what has transpired in the past? Too many questions - too many unknowns. It's time to commit EG and this entire episode to the past.
There were more than enough questions about this guy coming out of Seton Hall that a lot of teams backed away. Only CD and Rudy saw something in their minds which has since turned out to be nothing. I was never onboard with throwing away 1st round picks for such an unproven guy when there proven players available in that draft and it makes me sick to this day to watch Richard Jefferson play in the playoffs. As for SF, I'm not accusing YOU of wanting him traded. My comments were intended to be critical of the THOUGHT PROCESS that can say we MUST bend over backwards to help EG while at the same time saying that SF needs to go because of his style of play. Hey, I'm not a big fan of SF's way of playing either but at least he is still playing HERE. Finally, if this guy hasn't amounted to anything in 3 years, what makes you and everyone else believe that he's going do so in only 10 DAYS? If he was THAT good, he would not be out of the league looking for a payday now would he?
How do you figure he played 3 years? Last time I checked he only played 2 years and this passed season he was fight off-court battles. The guy is ONLY 21 for crying out loud. Believe it or not, the sky is still the limit for him. These are things we KNOW he can do: 1. Block 2. Rebound 3. Shoot (of course his shot can get better, but we know he has a good release, rotation, and form) uhhhhh... last time i checked, those are exactly the things we needed out of our PF. I say we just sign him to a 3 year contract, team-option on the 2nd and 3rd year. Is there such a contract? whatever the case is.. i hope either Biadine or EG come through for us next season.... i guess we will have to just wait and see. -e
Hmmm, so tell me how this "compassion" will be used as a justification? You do know you are talking about two groups: the fans here, and the management? So, don't you think your venting is directed at the wrong audience? Unless you think our name is Les. Heh... Far too many questions? Huh? For a 10 day contract? You're acting like if it's some big commitment. Get real! Did the guy kick your dog or something?
You forgot to add: 4. Quit on team. Oh and while we do need a PF that can "Block, Rebound & Shoot", first we need a PF who can be counted on to show up to play. Badiane is a longshot answer to the PF problem created by EG at best.
I agree. That's why there's no risk for EG earning his spot. He if he doesn't. Then he sits or get released. No risk.
Support on the EG issue falls into 2 camps. There's the "Give Eddie Another Chance aka "Give Him A (fill in the blank) Contract Because We Have Nothing to Lose" camp to which many folks here belong. These people cling to the belief that EG still could somehow, someway magically become an NBA player and that he should be "excused" from the consequences of his actions because he suffers from "depression" (I'd be depressed too if I'd washed myself out of the NBA). Then, there's the other camp (to which I belong) that believes that a terrible mistake was made by CD and the Rockets when they gave up so much only to receive so little in return. Furthermore, we believe that the way to rectify said mistake does NOT include giving this guy yet another chance to burn this franchise. A serious hole exists at the 4 position due to the EG fiasco and bringing him back is no solution - only another gamble for a team that no longer has the luxury to gamble. Being cute with your answers does not ignore the legitimate questions I posed here. OK, I'll pose the question to you again in simpler terms: Exactly what can this guy show in 10 days that he hasn't been able to show for 3 years? And more importantly, WHY should we believe anything that he now says or his agent or even John Lucas?
Okay Hillboy, who should we get in free agency to fill our void at the 4. The way I see it there arnt many choices and we dont want to see cato starting at the 4 again. Considering theres only Elton Brand who is obtainable by a longshot, and his game does not mesh with Yao very well. Through free agency Mcdyess is the only complete PF, but has a big question mark due to his knee. I dont want to see another center masquerading as a powerforward next year. If we dont pick anyone else up we might as well offer eddie a training camp contract, similar to what wilks got and go from there because he can contribute if he has his head on right and you cant deny that. If we are somehow able to sign swift or rasheed wallace then we can forget about EG, but for now we cant just ignore a PF with decent talent. So what if EG is signed to a minimum contract and plays pretty well next year with another team? Then you would look pretty stupid and half this board would continue b****ing and calling for CDs head. What if he doesnt pan out and continues to have his Problems? We just cut him, no harm done to the team or anything. EG should be signed as an insurance policy just in case we dont get a starting powerforward, but I dont think we just try to sign him hoping he will become the starting PF.
I don't think there is a chance that rox will get Eddie back. If they are not determined to give him up, they will not fire him this year. In the mean time, I don't think eddie will come around the corner based on his tracking record. He does deserve a second chance, but maybe not from rox. Rox has wasted three 1st picks for him, they won't take the risk for the second time.
I think you are right about him not coming back with the rockets. The organization cut off all ties with him when they released him and im not sure how JVG would feel about him comng back, as well as all the other people in the organization. If CD has the choice of bringing him back, I bet he would do it, but Les and JVG probably dont feel that way. But you never know, we need a PF and he happens to be available for cheap.
What makes you believe that eddie will sign or accept a league minimum contract? I strongly doubt he will take that from the Rox or any team something in me tells me he still thinks he still a "lottery player". I hope he takes the minimum from someone though.
On the interview it said he was hoping to join a summer league team, which doesnt mean he will get a guarenteed contract, same situation as wilks when we ended up keeping him. But some teams might just offer a minimum contract guarenteed.I think he also took the minimum when he signed with New Jersey after he was released by the rockets.
