doesnt that #33 remind you of the last jacka$$ that wore that number... hint: he couldn't do **** since he fell off the coat tail of MJ.
I understand alot of your feelings toward EG, but this time around its not a gamble. Where as he cant screw us again if he doesnt pan out. I look at it as an insurance policy, because right now our PF position looks pretty bleak. We have Cato who is a center starting, while we have MoT, Spoon and padgett all backing him up. That has go to be one of the worst PF rotations in the western conference. Theres noway I want to see Cato starting again and no way in hell MoT is goin to start with his +/- Stat. MoT has the 2nd worst +/- on the team, while spoon has the wors. I dont see how we are going to upgrade our PF postion. Elton Brand is far from a sure thing and for starters what team played 2 players that need to be deep in the post to be effective. I doubt anyone wants to see yao moved to the high post to accomodate Brand. Lets not waste our time and sign chris mihm and anderson as our PF . Not many options to improve the position and I wouldnt be surprised if we see Cato as our PF next year because he is our best option. The only other option I see is Mcdyess for a complete starter, but that is more of a gamble then EG due to his knee, where it could take a signifcant portion of the MLE. Heres everyones +/- for reference Player Min +/- Off48 Def48 W L Win% On Court +/- Off Court +/- Team Net +/- Braggs 3% +36 95.3 81.7 8 2 80.0 +13.7 +1.3 +12.4 Wilks 3% +29 93.4 83.3 14 11 56.0 +10.1 +1.3 +8.8 Oakley 0% +5 126.3 116.1 2 3 40.0 +10.2 +1.6 +8.6 Ming 67% +207 90.6 86.9 45 35 56.3 +3.7 -2.7 +6.4 Francis 80% +192 90.7 87.8 47 31 60.3 +2.9 -3.4 +6.4 Jackson 78% +180 91.1 88.3 44 32 57.9 +2.8 -2.5 +5.3 Padgett 13% +68 94.9 88.9 27 22 55.1 +6.1 +1.0 +5.1 Cato 43% +90 87.8 85.3 35 27 56.5 +2.5 +1.0 +1.5 Nachbar 12% +30 92.8 89.9 23 20 53.5 +2.9 +1.5 +1.4 Mobley 81% +87 89.8 88.5 45 34 57.0 +1.3 +3.2 -1.9 Piatkowski 17% -10 83.5 84.2 20 23 46.5 -0.7 +2.2 -2.8 JacksonM 14% -13 88.8 89.9 15 24 38.5 -1.1 +2.1 -3.2 Ford 0% -2 88.0 90.5 4 4 50.0 -2.5 +1.7 -4.2 Taylor 52% -66 87.0 88.5 37 38 49.3 -1.5 +5.1 -6.7 Norris 10% -37 85.0 89.5 13 17 43.3 -4.5 +2.3 -6.8 Weatherspoon 16% -79 86.4 92.3 15 21 41.7 -5.9 +3.1 -9.0 Griffin 3% -37 87.4 102.1 6 10 37.5 -14.8 +2.2 -16.9
And just who appointed you the keeper of this board? The name on the BBS is ClutchFans and not DeckardFans so if you don't like the way I express myself then don't read my posts. For the record, I am taking issue with all of the bleeding hearts here who are trying to excuse away the EG disaster because of his "condition". In essence, they want EG to be given a do over because he and his agent came up with the medical disability ploy to save EG's ass. I consider that type of reasoning to be both naive and dangerously stupid and down right dumb (hence the references to dumbass). I mean, just who are we talking about here? This ain't Kobe or a young KG or a T Mac or even an Amare that we're discussing. This is a MARGINAL basketball player that has washed out of the league. From the way folks around here are you'd thing this guy was the basketball equivalent of the chosen one. Look, I am not questioning the sincerity or beliefs of those folks who want to "save" Eddie - that's their business. I'm questioning their judgement (or absence of) when they argue that the Rockets should base cold hard basketball decisions on misplaced compassion. That never works. It hasn't worked for them (Rockets) and others in the past and it won't work now. It is said that compassion and command is a fool's mixture. The Rockets look like fools today because of the Eddie Griffin episode. If they go back down that road, they'll look like even bigger fools (why some would even describe them as "dumbasses"). There's an important element missing from this discussion: accountability. If Eddie is not responsible for what he's done and the Rockets are not responsible then exactly who do you hold accountable for this mess? Somewhere along the line an important fact got lost: this is about NBA BASKETBALL. As I have stated before, in the end, the Rockets will be judged by one and all here on what they do ON THE COURT and not on their efforts to rescue wayward NBA players.
For you to say that Eddie's "condition" is just an excuse, that his agent made up his medical disability, makes me wonder how you could ever call someone a "dumba$$" Tell me what the Rockets have to lose. CD and Les won't offer him a big long-term contract, so what do we have to lose?
Its going to be a long off season...Even if we do get EG back he probably won't live up to expectations. And we still won't be a good enough team to win a championship. I pray CD pulls a miracle trade out his a$$. or gets canned and our new GM will
Man, you proved who the dumbazz really is here, didn't you. Don't worry, I won't bother reading any of your posts in the future. Keep this crap up and the people who do run this board will deal with you. I have no "job" here, I just don't like reading crap, which is what you're putting out. Bye bye.
Is this the same Hillboy who so vigorously defended Kobe "Bare" Bryant's actions with a teenaged girl in Colorado? Where is the forgiveness accorded to a Laker for something of his own willfullness versus the foregiveness accorded to a young Rocket suffering from depression? Ahhhhhh, I know. One shot his gun and missed, and the other shot his gun and hit the target. You award winning points for ....marksmanship. BTW, Deckard's posts, whether you agree or disagree, are always logical and civil? You might consider adopting similar standards. As always, your friendly antithesis.
Theyre espns "scouting" stats they had for each of the playoff matchups. Dont know how much weight they should carry, but theyre pretty interesting. Guess we know why Cato is the starter instead of MoT and alot of the defense has to due with Yao and Cato clogging the lane. Here are the rest of the stats, some of them are pretty interesting. Player Min +/- Off48 Def48 W L Win% On Court +/- Off Court +/- Team Net +/- Braggs 3% +36 95.3 81.7 8 2 80.0 +13.7 +1.3 +12.4 Wilks 3% +29 93.4 83.3 14 11 56.0 +10.1 +1.3 +8.8 Oakley 0% +5 126.3 116.1 2 3 40.0 +10.2 +1.6 +8.6 Ming 67% +207 90.6 86.9 45 35 56.3 +3.7 -2.7 +6.4 Francis 80% +192 90.7 87.8 47 31 60.3 +2.9 -3.4 +6.4 Jackson 78% +180 91.1 88.3 44 32 57.9 +2.8 -2.5 +5.3 Padgett 13% +68 94.9 88.9 27 22 55.1 +6.1 +1.0 +5.1 Cato 43% +90 87.8 85.3 35 27 56.5 +2.5 +1.0 +1.5 Nachbar 12% +30 92.8 89.9 23 20 53.5 +2.9 +1.5 +1.4 Mobley 81% +87 89.8 88.5 45 34 57.0 +1.3 +3.2 -1.9 Piatkowski 17% -10 83.5 84.2 20 23 46.5 -0.7 +2.2 -2.8 JacksonM 14% -13 88.8 89.9 15 24 38.5 -1.1 +2.1 -3.2 Ford 0% -2 88.0 90.5 4 4 50.0 -2.5 +1.7 -4.2 Taylor 52% -66 87.0 88.5 37 38 49.3 -1.5 +5.1 -6.7 Norris 10% -37 85.0 89.5 13 17 43.3 -4.5 +2.3 -6.8 Weatherspoon 16% -79 86.4 92.3 15 21 41.7 -5.9 +3.1 -9.0 Griffin 3% -37 87.4 102.1 6 10 37.5 -14.8 +2.2 -16.9 Legend: # Min = the percentage of the team's total minutes the player was on the floor. # +/- = net points (+/-) for the team while the player was on the floor. # Off48 = points scored by a player's team per 48 minutes while he was on the floor. # Def48 = points allowed by a player's team per 48 minutes while he was on the floor. # W = number of games a player's team outscored its opponents while he was on the court. # L = number of games a player's team was outscored by its opponents while he was on the court. # Win% = the winning percentage for the player based on Wins versus Losses. # On Court +/- = net points per 48 minutes for the team while the player was on the floor. # Off Court +/- = net points per 48 minutes for the team while the player was off the floor. # Team Net +/- = the difference per 48 minutes for the team with the player on court versus off court. Top Houston Rockets Five Man Floor Units # Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win% 1 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Cato-Ming 966 1843 1663 +180 41 19 68.3 2 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Taylor-Ming 461 929 868 +61 29 29 50.0 3 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Taylor-Cato 313 529 606 -77 19 36 34.5 4 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Weatherspoon-Taylor 120 229 223 +6 10 12 45.4 5 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Weatherspoon-Ming 106 207 231 -24 9 9 50.0 6 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Padgett-Ming 99 190 178 +12 13 11 54.1 7 Francis-Piatkowski-Jackson-Taylor-Cato 73 123 114 +9 10 6 62.5 8 Francis-Piatkowski-Jackson-Taylor-Ming 66 112 97 +15 11 5 68.7 9 Norris-Mobley-Piatkowski-Taylor-Ming 62 110 117 -7 6 8 42.8 10 Francis-Mobley-Piatkowski-Taylor-Ming 61 103 114 -11 5 15 25.0 Five Man Floor Units Detailed View # Unit eFG eFGA FTA Close dClose Reb T/O 1 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Cato-Ming .508 .429 -4 32% 30% 51% -4% 2 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Taylor-Ming .525 .448 -39 34% 29% 49% -5% 3 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Taylor-Cato .428 .478 -32 32% 31% 47% -3% 4 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Weatherspoon-Taylor .487 .476 -8 31% 35% 51% -3% 5 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Weatherspoon-Ming .518 .512 -24 32% 31% 52% -10% 6 Francis-Mobley-Jackson-Padgett-Ming .455 .389 -2 30% 33% 48% -2% 7 Francis-Piatkowski-Jackson-Taylor-Cato .426 .371 -7 30% 23% 54% -4% 8 Francis-Piatkowski-Jackson-Taylor-Ming .417 .390 -4 37% 25% 59% +1% 9 Norris-Mobley-Piatkowski-Taylor-Ming .512 .525 +17 21% 31% 44% -8% 10 Francis-Mobley-Piatkowski-Taylor-Ming .441 .480 -1 26% 27% 50% -5% Legend # Min = the total minutes the unit was on the floor. # Off = the unit's points scored. # Def = the unit's points allowed. # +/- = the team net points for the unit. # W = number of games a unit outscored its opponents while on the court. # L = number of games a unit was outscored by its opponents while on the court. # Win% = the winning percentage for the unit based on Wins versus Losses. # eFG = the effective shooting percentage, adjusted for the value of 3-point shots. # eFGA = the effective shooting percentage allowed to opponents. # FTA = net free throw attempts. # Close = the percentage of shots taken from close range. # dClose = the percentage of opponents' shots taken from close range. # Reb = the rebound percentage for the unit, based on chances. # T/O = the net turnover percentage for the unit based on opponent turnovers minus unit turnovers.
Geesh! If he gets his life together, sign EG to a 10-day contract, or at most a 1 year contract. It's not like it's some big commitment. It would be dumb to sign him to a multi-year deal. So, let him "earn" his worth. I'd say that's smart for the Rox.
Exactly, CD and Les won't offer him a big mult-year deal, maybe just a year. So what do the Rockets have to lose?
Would the Rockets sign Eddie Griffin again? For those who know Rocket inside information, what is the feeling in the Rocket's organization about Griffin?
If you hate reading crap then it's obvious that you don't read your posts as well. Have a nice life...
Now I realize that this is going to be hard but try and think about when you first heard about EG's "depression". Was it while he was still on the team? Was it after he was suspended from the team because of his noshow? Or was it AFTER he took a shot at his exgirlfriend and HPD got on the case? All of a sudden he went from "painfully shy" to "clinically depressed". His agent nearly tripped over himself getting EG into a hospital so that he could "get the help that he needed". Some guy says the word "depression" and all of a sudden you and others here get all misty eyed with compassion and concern which is exactly the reaction those in the EG camp were counting on. Oh, they said "DEPRESSION" so all is forgiven Eddie!!! This is simply too much to believe. You guys want to bend over backwards to kiss up to a guy who quit on this team after that team paid dearly to get him here but you're ready to get rid of SF3 because he has a bad TO/Assist ratio? For all of his warts and faults, at least SF has conclusively shown that he WANTS to be here but I guess that counts for nothing around here. Neither does winning basketball games and the NBA championship. No, what's important here is that we try to "help" EG and forget about basketball. Sorry to report but the Rockets have already gone down this road before with John Lucas. As I recall, that episode very nearly destroyed this franchise. The Mavericks tried the same thing with Roy Tarpley and wound up the NBA's laughing stock for an entire decade. So when you ask what can the Rockets "lose" by giving EG another "chance", it would serve you well to remember the lessons of the John Lucas saga and the aftermath of well-meaning but misplaced intentions.
hillboy we know your opinion now, so you can drop it already because now that we know, we don't care. And the reason we do want him here is not because it's important that we help him, it's because he has shown he can play and he has potential to be great. Get a life and stop comparing this to Steve Francis. NOt everything is comparable, and that goes the same for the ignorance you have shown.
So now you want to drag Kobe into this? What's next, OJ Simpson? OK, fine. For the record, I did not DEFEND his actions. While everyone here was ready to lynch Kobe and supply their own rope, I was posting about several things I found to be strange in the case (timeline, police procedures, where were the bodyguards, etc.). At NO time did I post anywhere here that I supported having sex out of wedlock with the hotel staff. In fact, I clearly stated that I have no sympathy for Kobe - that he's getting what he deserves because he's a stupid dumbass who thought that wealth and fame could insulate him from the color of his skin and the implications thereof. As for Deckard, I'm sure he's a fine person who's kind to his mother and all but he came at me like some sort of pinhead telling me to get off the BBS because I didn't want to get in line up with him and the others to kiss EG's a$$. As I posted before, that's their perogotive and not mine. I simply don't believe that the Rockets should give this guy the time of day let alone another chance. Neither Deckard nor anyone else has been able to offer up one concrete example how this will improve the Rockets but I'm the bad guy when I look at it from a basketball POV. Because I'm not bleating with sympathy and concern for EG with all the rest, Deckard and others like him were "offended" at my bluntness and total lack of empathy over EG's "depression". Oh boo-hoo, I need to stop before I get all misty. He got personal with me so I got personal back. End of story.
While you telling me which way is up, why don't you get a F'ing clue yourself. Since you choose to lecture me on the subject of ignorance, let's use your own as an example for the class. Now exactly where is all of this "potential" that EG has shown that speaks of greatness? I must have blinked somewhere along the way because I must have missed it. Now what is more ignorant? To continue to chase after the illusion of potential - to devote YEARS tilting at this windmill or to run off a player who, while not perfect, is doing all that he can to realize his potential for this team. In a strange way, the two situations are linked and go a long way toward explaining what type of team folks like yourself want to have. If winning a championship isn't important, then go ahead and chase the dream that is EG - it's always better to pretend than to face reality. You're right about one thing: I don't care. I don't care about EG, his "illness", his "misfortunes, all of it. I don't care if you folks have convinced yourselves that this guy will someday become Mr. Basketball. I don't care if you folks cannot tolerate an opinion that's not to your liking. I simply don't care about what you think or believe. I care about the Houston Rockets and their players and I want them to win a championship because they deserve it - THAT'S what I CARE about. Do you?
HillBoy, let me ask you a question. Are you angered by your perception that *some* posters here show that they "care" about EG and somehow that is supposed to predict how resigning him will be facilitated? This is in direct contrast to a train of thought that a 10-day contract (or one year) would be a smarter method which is not predicated on "caring," but rather a practical, "What can EG do for us (Rox)?" Any decisions on signing EG again (not this year, or next, but maybe in the future) will be thought out NOT by posters here, but by the management. So, your problem with posters here about them "caring" is a moot point. You can't force people "not to personally care about someone." And this is immaterial to whether EG will be signed or not. So, like I said before. There should NOT be a major commitment to EG. It's up to him to make it in the NBA. And no multi-year contract should be signed or locked-in. That would be silly. But you need to separate your personal anger against posters that may think that "caring" will be a determining factor on him being signed. Management will make that decision.
so you are saying that you never saw any potential in the kid? Do you follow the NCAA??? http://www.shupirates.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=555 Hey son, quit generalizing. SInce when did a say i want SF traded? Dont put words into my mouth, i never wanted SF traded. See the way you proved my ignorance goes both ways, you are the one who keeps saying that the potential is an illusion. So everyone besides you are high too, right? devote years??? last time i checked we were suggesting a 10 DAY contract. You bet. And okay, ill stop. Im done, welcome to my ignore list.
Hillboy: Whew! I am somewhat relieved that I am not the only one capable of evoking visceral responses from you. The others do not realize you have a certain logic in your rhetoric since it keeps getting lost in your passion. Most of the "forgiveness" (including mine) has a selfish undertone -- we want to realize something for those draft choices and would chaff if he became a big star for another team that gives him a chance. We just want to make sure Griffin really is a losing proposition before completely giving up on him as you have already. And lastly, I just couldn't resist playing the Kobe Bryant card -- he provoked such good debate last summer. Did I ever tell you I watched "Bowling for Columbine?" But really ... chill, son, chill.
