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Eddie Griffin in Court Today

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by chino19s, Sep 23, 2003.

  1. MFW2310

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    Think about why alcohol and tobacco are legal? I'll let you have three guesses. Fact of the matter is weed alters your perception and impairs your judgement which could potentially cost lives.

    You are talking like you don't know why alcohol and tobacco are legal. We have had major tobacco companies fighting billion dollar court battles for years. As long as there is profit to be made, there will be people trying to make that profit, hence, legalized alcohol and tobacco. Just because they're legal doesn't mean you should do them.

    When it comes to weed, the government has to draw the line somewhere to pretend they care. Btw, regarding your point about naturally growing plant, well, opium is a naturally growing plant as well.

    However, since I (nor any of you) don't give a rat's ass about EG as a person, I second Sane's opinion. He can kill himself any way he wants to as long as he shows up in camp ready to play.
     
  2. trungvo

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    Just say no!!!!
     
  3. eyhab27

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    Dude.. i sure hope you dont drink.. alcohol is probably more mind altering than weed.. CASE CLOSED
     
  4. jo mama

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    there is no reason why alcohol and tobacco shouldnt be legal. my question is, why is pot illegal? alcohol kills far more people than pot does. tobacco kills far more people than pot does. based on mortality rates id venture to say that pot is the least harmful of the 3. i dont smoke cigarettes. i think they taste like dog crap and they are very unhealty for you, but you know what? this is america and if someones wants to smoke till they drop dead of cancer than that is their god given right. more power to you. i just want to do my thing without gettin hassled by the man too.

    weed does alter you perception and impair your judgement, true...but no less than alcohol. and as far as "potentially costing lives", you are really reaching there. ill go with you that being really high might impare your driving abilities, but nowhere near as severely as alcohol. if you can find me one incident of someone ODing on pot than it will be the first i ever heard of.

    and just because they are illegal doesnt mean we shouldnt do them, daniel son.

    funny that you mentioned the billions of dollars worth of court battles that those bastards have been fighting for years. its because the tobacco companies knowingly and systematically lied to the public and our government about such atrocities as cigarette adds aimed at children and insider reports to the effect of "get em while their young and you have a customer for life". they lied and suppressed info about the dangers of smoking. this is part of the reason why they are "fighting billion dollar court battles".
    they are also one of the biggest lobbying groups, having a dramatic effect on they way our government policies are shaped. think that huge amount of money our politicians recieve from big tobacco has an influence?


    i give 100 rats asses about EG. he made a mistake. pro basketball players shouldnt smoke pot. no excuses. but he is a 20 year old kid! hes going to make mistakes. if this becomes a continuing problem a'la the entire trailblazers team than i would get down on eddie, but for now i still think hes a good kid and i want him to do well. i for one couldnt fathom being 20 and making millions of dollars playing pro ball. that kind of presure and responsiblity would be intense at such a young age. he shouldnt smoke pot, he made a mistake, but give him another chance. hes just a kid. and dont worry cause hes not going to "kill himself" by smoking pot.
     
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    Oh my god. What's really appalling is that #1 and #2 represent logical fallacies that didn't even occur to you.

    #1 - ever speed? Cheat on your taxes? Commit any other misdemeanors?

    #2 - Most things are mind-altering. Anything you do is, to be honest. Problem with chemicals? Fine. Hope you don't take most pharmeceutical drugs, take coffee, eat chocolate, or hell, many foods. It is, of course, a matter of degree.

    #3, is, of course, you're prerogative.

    I don't want to have a drug debate in the main forum... but this was just so absurd and characterized as simple "common sense..." so misleading.

    And the latter editorial is the most absurd at all. Most people never get caught (especially if they're smart), so they don't have to deal with legal hassles. And many people believe that altering consciousness can bring perspective that one would normally lack. Why is "normal consciousness" necessarily superior?

    ":confused:" my ass... disingenuous propaganda is more like it.

    I don't use drugs, actually. I have before. Ultimately, I came to a rational conclusion that, for me, such things were no longer desirable. But your opinions are just not logical.
     
  6. danielk

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    Hey i'm in a sad bored mood too even though i been spoilt all my life...so money doesnt by happiness either:eek: :(
     
  7. HillBoy

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    Doobie Doobie Dooooooooooo...
     
  8. blaqnitti

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    WORD.;)
     
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    No, it just kills people, lives, families,......
     
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    Weed overdoses have reached an all time high over the last couple of years.
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    I truly hope that this statement was sarcasm and a play on words because there has never been a single documented case of a mar1juana overdose anywhere in the world.
     
  12. MFW2310

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    Alcohol has been around for millenia. Tobacco has been around for centuries. Only recently did we begin to realize that they are harmful (or more likely only recently did we begin to care or otherwise pretend to care). However, they are already ingrained in our culture, which is what makes it hard to give up. If you never know what beer is would you miss it? Not to mention this whole drinking/smoking is cool thing that your HS buds tell you.

    Pot is fairly new. It started after we pretend to care. We know it's harmful so it's pretty hard for the government to go out and say OK we know it's bad but we're gonna legalize it any ways because somebody is putting kickbacks in our pockets. What it comes down to is legalized alcohol and to some extent tobacco doesn't get as much objections as legalized weed and as I've stated, just because alcohol and tobacco are legal doesn't mean they are good for you or you should do them.

    You second paragraph I don't know what you are trying to prove, except my point. The only reason alcohol and tobacco are legal is because people try to profit from them. Not because they're good for you.

    As I've stated also, what people decide to do on their own time is their biz, smoke to hell for all I care. As for EG I guess we're different. You care about him I don't, to each his own I guess. I just care what shape he'll be in when he plays.
     
  13. mos-def

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    actually pot or other mind altering substanced have been around just as long as alcohol. tobacco is the relative newby. read any ancient greek? try homer's Odyssey. all sorts of dope and booze in that book.

    also, do you think that is just might be possible that certain south american "companies" might have lobbyists that make sure that drugs stay illegal in the u.s.? i mean, if you stood to lose millions through the end of drug prohibition, i think you would lobby too. the government does not keep drugs illegal to "protect" us.
     
  14. jo mama

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    it seems to me that your main problem w/ mar1juana is that its unhealthy. this is your biggest issue w/ it. true?

    like cigarettes, pot is unhealty for you. we dont know exactly how harmful, but i would guess that the effects are similar to tobacco. the difference is that cigarettes have something like 500 chemicals in them, while pot is simply grown, dryed and smoked. no chemicals.

    lots of stuff is harmful, lots of which is legal, but people do it anyway. thats fine. i have no objections to what people do, whether it hurts them or not.

    "as I've stated, just because alcohol and tobacco are legal doesn't mean they are good for you or you should do them."

    you probably dont smoke or drink and thats fine...it doesnt bother me. but you are trying to impose your morals on the rest of us. you shouldnt worry about what people "should do". w/ all due respect, its none of your buisness. lots of people derive alot of pleasure from smoking and drinking and who are you to say that they shouldnt do that? just b/c YOU are against something, others should not be able to do it?

    i know im sounding like a broken record, but you are too.

    i think the main reason pot is illegal in this country is b/c there is no way to regulate it. anyone and their grandmother could grow some and how does the government get anything out of that? legalized pot would also take away buisness from the tobacco and alcohol industries, who give so much money to our politicians.

    you say "smoke to hell for all i care"-the whole point is that you shouldnt care. its none of your buisness how i choose to spend my time. it has absolutely no negative impact on you so why do you care?

    and are you trying to imply that pot smokers will go to hell? who are you? john ashcroft?

    to keep this thread on topic though, eddie shouldnt smoke pot. its dissapointing, but not devastating. he gets paid millions to keep his body a well-oiled basketball playing machine. he should be held to a higher standard and whether its right or wrong, he is a role model to young kids who aspire to be in his position.
     
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    Thank you..................
     
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    I strongly agree. none of them "should" be role models. that should be the parents, friends, etc.(good citizens) But if you really think your kids are not going to follow these trends created by athletes, performers, etc., you got another thing comming to you. i think it's great that you teach your kids those values, and i hope to God you are right. But in reality, this is how popular trends begin. kids hear about their favorite player or actor doing something, and they do it. I mean, PEOPLE ACTUALLY WORE THEIR CLOTHING BACKWARDS IN THE 90'S WHEN KRISCROSS(dont remember their exact spelling) CAME OUT WITH THEIR NEW STYLE! its sad, but its the truth. we do need more parents like you stressing these values to our kids b/c that helps them greatly when they grow up. but as a child, the only thing tht matters is what is "cool". im not saying pot is some real bad drug or will devastate your life. i actually agree with quite a few arguments for it. but it is still something you dont want your kid doing b/c it makes people lazy and incoherrent.
     
  17. jo mama

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    and to expand a bit on the problem of athletes drinking, smoking doing drugs, ect...(damn im felling lazy at work today!)

    charles barkley was a notrious party-boy and drinker. didnt he smoke cigars too? this bothered me in the same way that eddie smoking pot does. i understand the need for some to go out and relax every once in a while, but barkley was always one of the biggest partiers in the nba. like smoking pot, drinking takes its toll on your health. at the least, it certainly isnt helping you.

    maybe if barkley hadnt partied as hard and been working out more he would have been able to get a hand up in stocktons face on that devastating shot in the 97 wcf. inexcusable!

    when drinking, partying and pot has a negative impact on the team than i have a problem.
     
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    If anyone really thinks weed is going to hurt EG's ability to play basketball, they are kidding themselves. Ever heard of Kareem Abdul Jabaar or Bill Walton? 2 guys that publicly admitted they smoke weed and 2 of the better players to ever play the game.
     
  19. jo mama

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    id really like to know your source on that one!
     
  20. Supermac34

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    He was "holding it for a friend."

    Lame.



    By the way, do you always post this way? Makes you sound ignorant. Everybody else on this board tries to make their posts in normal English (or at least attempts to). Don't belittle yourself by making it sound like you talk like this. (if you are typing like this as a joke, I apologize in advance.)
     

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